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Old 12-07-2008, 06:13 PM   #16
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How often are you needing to clean up the edges of the shoes on these M2C 4 shoes? We have 8 hour practice sessions on non race Saturdays and I, like everyone else, take full advantage of the whole day and are there for about 9+ hours. Not that you drive the whole time but I've come close to using a whole gallon in one day many times. On a race Saturday I only get to practice a little in the monring and then we have two 5 min qulifiers and a 10 min main. Not very stressfull. I'm torturing my ride actually during practice days. I'm not going to put up with doing clutch maintenance on a good practice day when you are able to just enjoy driving all day instead of wrenching. Those days DO happen

Yes I think I do want the added punch of aluminum but they seem to have a lot of tradeoffs. Stick with me a little longer and I'm considering it. I have a few more questions. I started this becuase I took the advice from the last threads on shoes and went back to both the Answer RC and M2C web sites and realized they were both aluminum. I never got to the M2C springs page. They ARE different. They are shorter. Do they still wrap around the shoes the same and they are shorter or are they a totally new design as far as where they mount? Can't find a pic of the whole system put together.

So I get the whole 4 shoe flywheel, shoe, spring setup from M2C and add a Kyosho CB? Just how different is their stuff? I didn't really pick up on that from the simple web page. I just thought everyone like them because they were simply good and lots of options

I AM paying attention to the good carbon shoe responses too, thanks!

...I forgot to check Amain for Kyosho stuff. They still carry 777 stuff. They are sometimes cheaper than Kyo direct. When some people were complaining that the Fironi was easily $70 and saying this was a pricey setup I'm thinking I must be doing something wrong if I'm going to dump more than that into a traditional style clutch setup. I was getting a list of hardware Friday off the 777 exploded view because at least the first 777's were still using the same clutch bell that came on the MP-6! MP6 used the 2 shoe clutch with the single wrap around spring. 777's used Kyo alum. shoes stock. I need to see what the MP9 guys are using to compare what the K cars are doing now. I have an exploded veiw at work...
the shoes seem to last a great while without having to dremmel them off ....by design the dont mushroom out as much ....i ran a full day of practice for the recent SIC race here in alabama ...i ran probaly 1/2-3/4 of a gallon .....after practice since i had time i pulled everything apart ....all i saw was golden ....the edges of the shoes had a slight and i mean slight but of material on the edge ...2 seconds with a dremmel and it was gone ....also clutch bell ....nice and uniform groove ...no trenches like on most 3 shoe set up ....next day dusted the bmain ...and all i did was scotch brite the inside of the clutch bell ....no dremmeling .......

on the springs ....they do mount the same ....as far as spring goes in shoe , shoe and spring go over pin ....spring is much smaller ...and doesnt get as hot ....and break .....you will need the necessary tools and or skills to get the shoe and spring on .....same as a 3 shoe......

i will get some pics here in a minute and put em up so you can see em .....
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and forgot to say springs are color coded .....


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M2C is the BEST IMO...I ran the light soft shoes with 1.0 spring and got # gallons out of a set of shoes....I went through 2 sets of springs and and 2 set of bearing before they were done....It was mounted to a JP mod V specin a heavy 777WC IF you know what a jp mod is then you know what kind of power they produce and how they wear out other clutches quickly .You can go with very little mainence with the m2c........I have now since putthat engine with different shoes harder lights and .95 springs in a CRTx2 and haven`t changed the shoes yet......M2C shoes mushroom very very little

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Thanks for the pics. I'll definately keep M2C back at the top of my list then. I'll still be debating a little on carbon vs. aluminum but 1/2 - 3/4 of a gallon isn't that often I guess. I had planned on e-mailing them before so I will consider the alum. and talk with them. I would have to find out if any of the Kyosho packages they have will work with the MP6 for sure and a Kyosho CB.

Thanks for all of the non-aluminum recommendations. I'll be looking those up and researching those too.
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I just checked the MP9 and it still uses the IFW46 CB that has been in use since the MP6. Only the flywheel and shoes have changed over the last 10 years. Makes me wonder why it is $29. I thought I was buying one of those old parts they keep around for a few people and charge them dearly for them. Oh well, it should last one season and it will fit I guess!
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I just checked the MP9 and it still uses the IFW46 CB that has been in use since the MP6. Only the flywheel and shoes have changed over the last 10 years. Makes me wonder why it is $29. I thought I was buying one of those old parts they keep around for a few people and charge them dearly for them. Oh well, it should last one season and it will fit I guess!
kyosho never changes on parts like that ... i have ti search the mp7.5 to find some of the shims i use ...i let mitchel from m2c know he may be getting some email questions so fire away ...make sure and let him know i steered you over there ....
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