Fioroni???
11-22-2008, 07:06 PM
#16
Mine was totally killing the bottom end in my Mugen truggy so I took it apart...got a Dremel and lightly ground all the way around the shoes...put them back in and problem went away.
Smoothest grippiest clutch I've ever used. If you get too much low rpm grab then change one carbon set out for the glass set.
I noticed I had two packages of springs...both said they were Hard springs but the packages had different part numbers. You can pretty much tell which are harder by pulling/bending them.
I like how this clutch setup works...it seems to be real easy on the clutch bearings and the clutchbells.
Smoothest grippiest clutch I've ever used. If you get too much low rpm grab then change one carbon set out for the glass set.
I noticed I had two packages of springs...both said they were Hard springs but the packages had different part numbers. You can pretty much tell which are harder by pulling/bending them.
I like how this clutch setup works...it seems to be real easy on the clutch bearings and the clutchbells.
01-13-2009, 10:10 AM
#17
fioroni two shoe clutch system
i recently installed a two shoe, blue glass fioroni clutch system on my truggy. i've had the system for well over a month now, but the weather has not allowed me to test it off road. however, so far, on pavement, i prefer it over a three shoe system, as it has similar punch and power [onroad] and is much easier to install. nonetheless, i'm still a little concerned with others comments regarding low end bogging and performance. therefore, i'm curious to know which springs and shoes are proven in the truggy class (?) i ask b/c i've read that the stock fioroni springs are too weak for truggies, so i tried to order some hard springs from amainhobbies, but they're on backorder. hopefully, i'll get em' next order. also, the " loose flywheel " comments are concerning to me b/c i had to dremel a flywheel collet to get the fioroni flywheel to torque onto the engine/crankshaft properly. in the past, i've never had to dremel a collet to get the flywheel to torque and seat properly. this considered, i'm wondering if others have experienced any flywheel issues at the track (?) i mean, i sure hope this thing doesn't break loose on me... seems as if the crankshaft hole in the flywheel is too big 
note: i plan to run .21's with this system. i went with the blue shoes b/c the description suggests that the blue shoes offer some of the grab of the black carbon shoes and some of the longevity of the white shoes. i also steered clear of the four shoe set up and went with the two shoe set up b/c some users state that the four shoe set up is more difficult than the two shoe set up.
note: i plan to run .21's with this system. i went with the blue shoes b/c the description suggests that the blue shoes offer some of the grab of the black carbon shoes and some of the longevity of the white shoes. i also steered clear of the four shoe set up and went with the two shoe set up b/c some users state that the four shoe set up is more difficult than the two shoe set up.
01-13-2009, 11:55 AM
#19
i recently installed a two shoe, blue glass fioroni clutch system on my truggy. i've had the system for well over a month now, but the weather has not allowed me to test it off road. however, so far, on pavement, i prefer it over a three shoe system, as it has similar punch and power [onroad] and is much easier to install. nonetheless, i'm still a little concerned with others comments regarding low end bogging and performance. therefore, i'm curious to know which springs and shoes are proven in the truggy class (?) i ask b/c i've read that the stock fioroni springs are too weak for truggies, so i tried to order some hard springs from amainhobbies, but they're on backorder. hopefully, i'll get em' next order. also, the " loose flywheel " comments are concerning to me b/c i had to dremel a flywheel collet to get the fioroni flywheel to torque onto the engine/crankshaft properly. in the past, i've never had to dremel a collet to get the flywheel to torque and seat properly. this considered, i'm wondering if others have experienced any flywheel issues at the track (?) i mean, i sure hope this thing doesn't break loose on me... seems as if the crankshaft hole in the flywheel is too big
note: i plan to run .21's with this system. i went with the blue shoes b/c the description suggests that the blue shoes offer some of the grab of the black carbon shoes and some of the longevity of the white shoes. i also steered clear of the four shoe set up and went with the two shoe set up b/c some users state that the four shoe set up is more difficult than the two shoe set up.
note: i plan to run .21's with this system. i went with the blue shoes b/c the description suggests that the blue shoes offer some of the grab of the black carbon shoes and some of the longevity of the white shoes. i also steered clear of the four shoe set up and went with the two shoe set up b/c some users state that the four shoe set up is more difficult than the two shoe set up.
I run a turbo twin 2007 slider(4 medium sized shoes) with carbon shoes and 2 stiff/hard springs. I have run this setup in both my buggy and truggy with great results. I feel that the clutch has plenty of SNAP for a truggy.
I have 8 gallons on this setup and its still going strong. I believe I have changed the clutch bearings like 3 times during that time(in a losi which is unheard of).
I followed this mod here by littlemotor and the clutch is amazing.
http://www.truggyracers.com/forum/in...howtopic=15695
01-13-2009, 11:55 AM
#20
Brand new out of the package Hard springs would sagg in a matter of minutes from my experience...we shortened them to only have the clutch still sagg....im not a fan of the fioroni.
01-13-2009, 12:49 PM
#21
The Turbo Sliding Clutch series is very good. I recommend using the OT-FR56 black 4 shoe clutch or the OT-FR52 black 2 shoe clutch. You can also mix the white shoes with either one, which I have done with very good results. The stock springs work fine, and if you need more punch, try the stiffer springs. When using the 4 shoe setup (OT-FR56) I normally use the stiff springs in the thinner shoes.
The Vario clutch is also good from what I have heard. I have not yet tried one, but a buddy ran one in his DM-1 (on road rally car based on buggy) and he said it was very good.
The new Quattro clutch is also available now; similar to the Vario clutch clutch but with 4 shoes instead of 3, and 2 tension settings (#2 and #3) instead of 3 settings.
The Vario clutch is also good from what I have heard. I have not yet tried one, but a buddy ran one in his DM-1 (on road rally car based on buggy) and he said it was very good.
The new Quattro clutch is also available now; similar to the Vario clutch clutch but with 4 shoes instead of 3, and 2 tension settings (#2 and #3) instead of 3 settings.
01-13-2009, 11:57 PM
#22
thanks for the replies...
a special thanks to jamminkrazy for offering up some guidance on the fioroni clutch. again, i ran it pretty rough on the asphalt awhile back, so it looks like i have it set up properly. oh well, if it holds up and performs off road, guess i'll order another full set up. perhaps the black carbon shoes this time around for performance comparison.
01-14-2009, 09:56 AM
#23
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I have a question about the fioroni slider. I have been running the fioroni slider for about 2 yrs. with good success. Mostly in a .28 for truggy. Currently in a GRP.28. Clutch grabs good has plenty of bottom using standard springs. In my buggy I am running A GRP.21 using a fioroni slider with standard springs and this engine just has no bottom end. Runs strong on top end. If I were to install stiff springs to allow the engine to spool a little higher before engaging do you think this would solve or help my bottom end problem. I am running my engines with Byrons gen2 30% and JP3 and or JP4 PIPE. Thanks for any suggestions.
01-14-2009, 10:35 AM
#24
Which of the turbo sliding shoes do you use? Stiffer springs would definitely help.
New Quattro clutch: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/33289
New Quattro clutch: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/33289
01-14-2009, 10:41 AM
#25
I have a question about the fioroni slider. I have been running the fioroni slider for about 2 yrs. with good success. Mostly in a .28 for truggy. Currently in a GRP.28. Clutch grabs good has plenty of bottom using standard springs. In my buggy I am running A GRP.21 using a fioroni slider with standard springs and this engine just has no bottom end. Runs strong on top end. If I were to install stiff springs to allow the engine to spool a little higher before engaging do you think this would solve or help my bottom end problem. I am running my engines with Byrons gen2 30% and JP3 and or JP4 PIPE. Thanks for any suggestions.
you are experiencing the common fioroni bog on bottom....it IS the clutch and has nothing to do with the motor...and imo its just the way these clutch's work on race .21's your .28 has more then enough power to overcome that bog your feeling.
01-14-2009, 07:00 PM
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Integra, is there a clutch system you can suggest that does not require maint. every time I run. My experience with the common 3 shoe aluminum is that you have to replace bearings and file or clean the alum. shoes often.
01-14-2009, 07:28 PM
#27
a special thanks to jamminkrazy for offering up some guidance on the fioroni clutch. again, i ran it pretty rough on the asphalt awhile back, so it looks like i have it set up properly. oh well, if it holds up and performs off road, guess i'll order another full set up. perhaps the black carbon shoes this time around for performance comparison.
01-14-2009, 07:36 PM
#28
I have a question about the fioroni slider. I have been running the fioroni slider for about 2 yrs. with good success. Mostly in a .28 for truggy. Currently in a GRP.28. Clutch grabs good has plenty of bottom using standard springs. In my buggy I am running A GRP.21 using a fioroni slider with standard springs and this engine just has no bottom end. Runs strong on top end. If I were to install stiff springs to allow the engine to spool a little higher before engaging do you think this would solve or help my bottom end problem. I am running my engines with Byrons gen2 30% and JP3 and or JP4 PIPE. Thanks for any suggestions.
I definately don't buy the "fioroni bottom end bog" theory. Run stiff springs and change them every few gallons. I have run mine in a truggy with .21 engines for 8 gallons.... no bottom end bog what so ever. I ran my v-spec with the stock losi 4 shoe with 4 khz aluminum shoes, 2 gold , 2 silver springs, back to back with the fioroni turbo twin 2007, black carbon shoes, 2 stiff springs. Exact same performance. Definately no bogging.
There is no reason you should feel any bog with this clutch(when set up correctly) especially in a buggy.
I would also reccomend scuffing the inside of your clutch bell and the contact patch of the shoes with some fine grit sandpaper. I use a foam sandpaper pad for this. I will try to find a link.
01-14-2009, 08:24 PM
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JAMMINKRAZY, Thanks for the reply. I use a fine sandpaper to clean my clutch bell and maintain the carbon shoes. The clutch is grabbing good, I think my problem is that this engine is a mid and top end engine and my clutch shoes are engaging to soon and not giving me the snap I like. I will try stiffer springs.