slow coach

i used an example which included for reference children as it more than adequately emphasised the words i have been putting across from the start, you took it further not I, my kids dont compete not old enough so no not in that league mate sorry.

I wasnt refering to only children either i meant all racers who entered the nats and won their final, as i said earlier if it happened then i apologise as it was infered elsewhere that the lower mains get brushed aside if this wasnt the case i was fighting a side which didnt need it my error.

No misunderstanding stated a point which wouldnt cost nowt but makes people more appreciative of their involvement in the sport thats all but this seems hard to stomach by some im sorry if i maybe sounded angry but i was a bit annoyed by the earlier posts about losers i didnt feel it had any place here, thats sorted pm sent and done that was down to not realising it was meant in jest smiley was missing at end of it, anyway take it as you will i wont change my opinion and dare say you will either.

sorry to go off topic and all and still agree that the nats should be run open and with whatever you can get your hands on as long as its in the spirit of the rules.

C Branch

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I do need to say something here. Kenny Brosch was announcing the whole week and he calls every single qualifier, and main, like it is the last lap of the Worlds. Everybody is made to feel like a superstar when Kenny is announcing.

I hope this clears things up


Colin

oldschoolracer

ROFL ~ you really sounds like you've got the whole 1-900 thing down pat.

Anyway, I guess we can equate a lot of things "by the hour" - but then if one would factor $98 x 8 x 2 = $1,568 for a weekend of flying.....
I think I'll stick to golf as my highend annual diversionary funding.


Sounds like a good reason. Maybe they'll still be around when you get some more expereince and wheeltime and pass 'em by.

I travel quit a bit, so maybe I see "more" different surfaces. Yes, bluegroove, but I've also seen ruts so deep you had to change your line as the day went on and I've seen holes develop that swallow cars and didn't spit 'em out.

I'm not saying that you don't have a valid point about your 8 minutes vs. the 45 - personally I think the only thing 45 minutes proves is who has the deepest tire bag. But that's another discussion. Come to think about it, I guess part of what I'm now saying is that by increasing your runtime your tire bills go up as well. If I don't make the A, I don't want to race that long, and I'd just as soon save tires and fuel for another day of club racing.

Well I'm not going there, I've already had enough of the "I wanna trophy" discussion for one day... LOL

Well, sounds to me like another example of "Everything's bigger in Texas." LOL
No, it sounds like it was cool and that you had a good time and plenty of runtime.
And there again, I don't know that I'm an advocate of big races being a "everyone come" affair. Sure it's good experience, and an experience in itself, but smaller regional or the Nitro Inv. you attended are good examples of races without all the trappings and entries on a National - yet bigtime enough to have a good time at.

I don't know how to quantify it for each person. I just figured that when I first got into racing that making the A was my goal, and I just never felt shorted by not running as much as the bigboys (but I do know that I had to beg/borrow/steal a couple of sets of tires to get through my first podium finish).
At the same time I think that short of making all mains 45-minutes, or whatever the A's run, leaves people grumbling (what I only get 20 minutes?). I've been to races in which they ran electric too, and the electric guys were grumbling that they were having to marshall the longer gas mains (valid point, but what do you do?).
I just tend to think that at some point, at some level, that you can never make everything "fair" for everyone or keep everyone happy all the time.

~ Keep 'em between the pipes

oldschoolracer

+1

DOMIT

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Paul does that at the Nitro Invitationals... he's a very entertaining and enthusiastic Race Director.

oldschoolracer

Bringing it up opens it up. I didn't bring it up, you did.
I've already raised my children, maybe you'll better understand as yours get older. No worries.

I guess the point everyone seems intent on blurring is that winning the A is reasonably the only one that matters. All the others might consider themselves winners, but in reality the guy that won the F-main finished in the 60th (or whatever) finishing position.

Well it did sound as if you were quite a fluster and angry. I'm guessing you're a Brit, so maybe you aren't familiar with the expression well known in the States "second place is the first loser" -- but it's commonly used over here, especially in reference to racing.
I don't think anyone's intending that lower finishers shouldn't be commended for their efforts, they are an important element to racing, yet at the same time it seems as if there's a huge difference between commending someone and actually recognizing or attempting to quanitfy their finish by suggesting they be given an award or something.

oldschoolracer

Every promotor and race director is different,
but there again the guy that won the A-main is the only true winner of the event.

DOMIT

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Ummmm... I was being impolite with the reference... This is a "family environment" so I won't elaborate... and it was directed at the costs that the slower guys like me pay to run shorter times. I'm pretty sure you can figure it out...

Well, that would be like racing 8 hours a day for 2 days for the same cost. The by the minute cost for the actual activity is still cheaper (flying vs. racing in the lower mains.) If you factor the 8 hours out as hanging out at the airport (or track) shooting the breeze and "hangar flying" (or "bench racing") and watching the others fly (or race) flying is cheaper. Of course I suppose you could say the risks are higher flying... but I'm probably about as likely to die by being hit in the head marshalling as I am spinning it in... especially since spinning (and therefore recovery) is one of my favorite things to do, so I'm proficient at recovering.


Ummm... they're all pretty fast... that won't happen anytime soon.

Well... like I said... it's offroad racing... carpet is always consistant. The track changes all the time in offroad. I personally almost prefer a "blown out" track to a "groomed" one. It's more entertaining.

Understood... and I on the other hand don't think everyone should run 45 minutes either... I just think that an 8 minute main is ludicrous.

Oh yeah... one of my "crew" is one of those sandbaggers... he got browbeat into running expert at the Nitro Invitational... he "only" got 5th in expert. (And he opened his mouth while all the smack talk was going on Saturday night... "If I make top 5 in Expert I'll run a pink body..." paint is in progress... )

Honestly the best time I've ever had at ANY race was last year's Nitro Invitational in Austin. We camped at the track and cooked out, had a good time overall... maybe 150 entries overall?

Again... not asking for a 45 minute main... running that longer main is part of qualifying better... but (roughly) 6 times as long? They didn't turn 6 times as many laps as I did in qualifying...

desertbird

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Nothing you guys are arguing about has to do with the original post.

oldschoolracer

I actually thought you were trying to be polite, sorry, or at least interjecting a little humor in this rather hate-filled thread.

I guess I'm considering the "whole day price factor" involved - kinda like I have to do on the golfcourse, where if you figure out the entire time you spend making shots (I think it's like 2-1/2 minutes total) relative to a avaerage round lasting 4+ hourse.....


Kinda like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rct1X2QBm_Y


Well, you're admittedly pretty new at this aren't you?
You've hardly gotten your feet wet.

Well, to each his own I suppose.
I just remember losing a race once when I tried to pass the tangle of leaders in front of me I'd been chasing for laps waiting for an error - I coasted into the ruts, car high-centered, and the entire field passed me before I got marshalled.

Maybe I've been racing long enough, oldman here, that I settle in pretty quickly - usually the first lap or so. That and I get damned tired much sooner nowadays. LOL

You guys need to rig some pretty bows on it too... maybe little trailing ribbons.

Sounds like a rockin' good time was had by all. Might have to make that one next year.

Fresh. clean treads always go faster

oldschoolracer

Just doing a quick scan through your previous posts and I didn't see much in the way of you adding anything of substance to any topic you've posted in.

DOMIT

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yup... a polite way to make an impolite reference, and a bit of humor... (I was serious once... a few years ago... but I got over it and I'm all better now...)

I was too... and an hour of flying is my normal "quota." Maybe 2 or so sometimes... but that's about it.

Yeah, just over a year.

I understand what you're saying... I just think it is part of "offroad."


It takes me 3-4 minutes of the main to calm down. My knees shake so bad I'll shake the whole drivers stand at the start of a main. Just excitment.

Ummmm... got some "Hello Kitty" stickers.

desertbird

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I glad you were able to amuse yourself.

slow coach

one of my sparring partners is like that, when we race on one of the tracks that we set up a rostrom and were standing on scaffold boards he used to almost shake the people either side off the rostrom unbelievable, worst i ever got was in london at the model engineers expo lots of good drivers there jukka, dave spash, and others i was so nervous i came off the drivers stand with mega cramps and back pain from being so tense while racing thankfully i dont do that anymore age has its benefits

oldschoolracer

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