savage flux 5th scale conversion.
10-30-2013, 08:24 PM
#47
Out of town now wont be back until friday night Newfoundland time! Pictures will be posted then if my computer agrees.
Don't get your hopes up for something really crazy though. Shes just sitting as a roller now.
Been talking with Dejan from Alza, really great guy. Turns out the alza center diff kit will fit the TCS chassis fine as long as I use the outputs from the stock tranny. So thats a plus.
Don't get your hopes up for something really crazy though. Shes just sitting as a roller now.
Been talking with Dejan from Alza, really great guy. Turns out the alza center diff kit will fit the TCS chassis fine as long as I use the outputs from the stock tranny. So thats a plus.
10-30-2013, 08:26 PM
#48
im so tempted to replace my castle 1717 in my XXl and swap it for the leopard 5692, 1340kv..it would fit in the TDR mount but getting 6mm pinions is as rare as hens teeth..
KD only have 18 and 20T..i need to be close to 30T..i wouldnt want to shave down a 6mm shaft of $200 motor..
i think the 4092 would be small for the 1/5 scale..the 5692 would be ideal because you could still run with the hobbywing 150a EZRUN esc..again the only problem is going to be 6mm mod1 pinions..if someone could help me with getting these
KD only have 18 and 20T..i need to be close to 30T..i wouldnt want to shave down a 6mm shaft of $200 motor..
i think the 4092 would be small for the 1/5 scale..the 5692 would be ideal because you could still run with the hobbywing 150a EZRUN esc..again the only problem is going to be 6mm mod1 pinions..if someone could help me with getting these
Also a 150 Amp esc would be sufficient for running 6s ?
10-30-2013, 09:30 PM
#50
I think I'm going to do the 5692 in my XXL!!! Rcecho is the cheapest or eBay..rcecho are outta stock for now but as soon as they have stock, I'm getting it
I think 6s will be plenty in my xxl..only thing is the 5692 weights more than 300 grams more than the 1717..the xxl is gonna be obese!!
Will start a new build thread soon..all my rigs will be leopard hobby big blocks!
I think 6s will be plenty in my xxl..only thing is the 5692 weights more than 300 grams more than the 1717..the xxl is gonna be obese!!
Will start a new build thread soon..all my rigs will be leopard hobby big blocks!
11-01-2013, 09:00 PM
#51
I think I'm going to do the 5692 in my XXL!!! Rcecho is the cheapest or eBay..rcecho are outta stock for now but as soon as they have stock, I'm getting it
I think 6s will be plenty in my xxl..only thing is the 5692 weights more than 300 grams more than the 1717..the xxl is gonna be obese!!
Will start a new build thread soon..all my rigs will be leopard hobby big blocks!
I think 6s will be plenty in my xxl..only thing is the 5692 weights more than 300 grams more than the 1717..the xxl is gonna be obese!!
Will start a new build thread soon..all my rigs will be leopard hobby big blocks!
11-01-2013, 09:38 PM
#53
Only real benefit I see now is that the Castle 1717 motor will fit the Alza center diferential that I plan to run. Unsure about the Leopard 1340kv.
11-02-2013, 01:37 AM
#54
the leppy 5692 is about 8mm overall thicker than the 1717 can so youve got to make sure it fits..im pretty sure in my XXL i could make it work..also note that the 5692 comes with a 6mm shaft as opposed to the 5mm from the 1717..
so my work around is this..buy 8mm hardened pinions from KD and they have a reducer or sleve to bring this down from 8mm to 6mm..
KD offer a wide variety of 8mm pinions as opposed to 2 pinions which are 6mm in diameter
if it was me going 5th scale and running 6s, i would definately pick the 5692 for that low end torque, i mean the thing is almost the size of a coke can!!
and if youre game enough to go higher in volts, they do a 58mm x 110mm..now thats a beast for sure!
so my work around is this..buy 8mm hardened pinions from KD and they have a reducer or sleve to bring this down from 8mm to 6mm..
KD offer a wide variety of 8mm pinions as opposed to 2 pinions which are 6mm in diameter
if it was me going 5th scale and running 6s, i would definately pick the 5692 for that low end torque, i mean the thing is almost the size of a coke can!!
and if youre game enough to go higher in volts, they do a 58mm x 110mm..now thats a beast for sure!
11-02-2013, 02:26 AM
#55
There are going to be two obstacles you'll need to overcome to run the 5692 in your savage with the Alza mount. First that I mentioned earlier is getting it mounted. The 5692 has a different mounting bolt pattern and the motor mount needs to be drilled for that pattern.
The second is figuring out gearing that'll fit and if it'll work with your overall setup. This is a concern because of the motor's bigger diameter and the fact it will hit the drive cup of the center diff before a smaller diameter motor would. Let's say you have a common 1/8 buggy spur of 46t. Now with a 1717 you might be able to go down to a 16t pinion before the motor hits the drive cup. But the larger 5692 motor will hit the drive cup before the 16t engages requiring a larger pinion and or spur gear. I made up the sizes of the pinion and spur, they are not accurate but do prove my point.
Talk to Alza, see if they can point you in the right direction with these two things. You gotta be able to mount it and knowing how big of a spur the Alza can handle is a start in figuring out gearing without wasting $ on pinions you'll never use because they don't fit.
The second is figuring out gearing that'll fit and if it'll work with your overall setup. This is a concern because of the motor's bigger diameter and the fact it will hit the drive cup of the center diff before a smaller diameter motor would. Let's say you have a common 1/8 buggy spur of 46t. Now with a 1717 you might be able to go down to a 16t pinion before the motor hits the drive cup. But the larger 5692 motor will hit the drive cup before the 16t engages requiring a larger pinion and or spur gear. I made up the sizes of the pinion and spur, they are not accurate but do prove my point.
Talk to Alza, see if they can point you in the right direction with these two things. You gotta be able to mount it and knowing how big of a spur the Alza can handle is a start in figuring out gearing without wasting $ on pinions you'll never use because they don't fit.
11-02-2013, 09:44 AM
#58
I don't see the problem here. When I had a 1717 in my savage (it has since been apart), I had a 14t pinion on it. I don't know where you guys are getting your info. If you use a standard 1/8 can, 42mm or whatever the diameter is, you should be fine with gearing. I see why you'd be a little wary though, it's not in your hands to test.
Maybe someone other than me could show Cain how different motor sizes mount. I have a castle the 1717 1580kv castle/traxxas, 1520 1600kv, and the 1515 2200kv that's i've mounted so far. Unfortunately I cannot take pictures right now, but the only motor I had limited gearing options for was the 1717 because it will hit the either the drive cup, or most likely the pins on the dogbone. Like I said, I managed to use a 14t pinion I believe. Normal 1/8 cans with no excessive heatsink will go down to 9/10/11t I'm sure.
EDIT: I just looked up the motor and Overdriven is probably right. It is slightly lower kv, so I would look for a higher tooth spur gear for the center differential if you decide to get them.
Here's some old pictures if they help.
Maybe someone other than me could show Cain how different motor sizes mount. I have a castle the 1717 1580kv castle/traxxas, 1520 1600kv, and the 1515 2200kv that's i've mounted so far. Unfortunately I cannot take pictures right now, but the only motor I had limited gearing options for was the 1717 because it will hit the either the drive cup, or most likely the pins on the dogbone. Like I said, I managed to use a 14t pinion I believe. Normal 1/8 cans with no excessive heatsink will go down to 9/10/11t I'm sure.
EDIT: I just looked up the motor and Overdriven is probably right. It is slightly lower kv, so I would look for a higher tooth spur gear for the center differential if you decide to get them.
Here's some old pictures if they help.
11-02-2013, 10:10 AM
#59
I think the thing is that for the speed I am wanting on 4S, its like I am down to right on the cutoff with a 1600kv motor with the center diff versus if I went with a lower kv motor like a 1300kv or so.
Nice looking vehicle there though, very nice!
Nice looking vehicle there though, very nice!
11-02-2013, 10:30 AM
#60
Yeah I figured I wasn't being of much help 
Anyway, would you be opposed to a lower kv castle motor like the 1520 or 1717? What's the deal with the leopard motors?
Anyway, would you be opposed to a lower kv castle motor like the 1520 or 1717? What's the deal with the leopard motors?