Cummins Driver

iTrader: (19)

Losi hater much? I like the Savage and MGT 2 speed setup better, but there is nothing wrong with how losi did it. Just a different way of getting to the same place. My Savage is the most Durable truck I have ever owned, but my LST's are the best handling MT's I have ever owned and it makes them very fun to drive since you can run them pretty hard without worrying about flipping them. Those huge shocks are no joke either, they make the Losi's handle jumps very well. My Savage also handles jumps very well, but the MGT trucks IMO need some suspension work and aluminum shocks or at least the FT caps to be ready for much big jumping.

Also, you are wrong about the 4.6 SS kit. The outdrives on those trucks are weaker and dont wear nearly as good as the RTR stuff, not to mention the flux/xl outdrives which are a huge improvement over the SS stuff.

If reverse is a major requirement, the savage reverse module works pretty well without much extra slack. I do NOT reccomend leaving reverse in the MGT transmission. There is too much slack with reverse installed and it will tear up the transmission over time. The Losi has a nice reverse setup without much extra play in the transmission.

I have owned about every mainstream MT out there, along with a few oddballs. Most all of them will do what you ask of them. Most all of them have a couple downfalls. Just buy the one you like best and upgrade it to suit your needs.

Herrsavage

If you pay attention to 8th scale top-end buggy and truggy racing stuff, you'd notice that X-ray, Mugen, Losi, and all the rest are constantly trying to shift the engine - and therefore COG, to the center. With the LST's, it's right there, already in the middle. Which is part of the reason it handles so fantastically. Who cares which way it sticks? The LST2 has great gearing, and a great 2-speed, which is more durable than the Savage's.. And so is the whole rest of the truck to be honest..

If you really wanted to, you could also do clutch maintenance on the LST without taking the engine out. And taking the transmission out is easy too, if necessary..

I like Savages, but after seeing the made-of-butter drivetrain on my last one..., never again... My LST2 has been seriously ten times as durable.. Which is why I still have it six years later, whereas I got rid of that Savage XSS years ago.. And good riddens too..

The only thing I don't like about the XXL is the lengthened chassis, which I think might compromise chassis stability. I really think you need the New Era rollbar with the XXL, moreso than with the LST2. But if you get that, all set...

Here in Germany the MGT's (here MTA4's) are priced really well, so that's what I would get from those two. Though I'd prefer the Savage XL just based on the truck, assuming I didn't have to pay too much more. Though I really do believe the Losi XXL is a wiser investment.

aqeel200

For me, LSTs are best overall. no doubt i hv a flux, maintenance on LSTs are super easy access. LSTs are well balanced truck for jumps out of the box.

I use my 3 LST2 for more than 5 years and still going strong every weekend including monthly club races.

razeman

Dude, Love my MGT 8.0. One BADASS Truck. This one is completly MOD. Not much is still stock. All kinds of hopup parts out there, most all came from Asia. Transmission works great, Just make sure it's stopped before shifting into reverse. 5 gallons through this 8.0, still has great pinch. Running on the pipe. Pulls the wheel on command, in both forward and reverse. Kiiler truck,,,,

RazeMan

aqeel200

Agreed - MGT 8.0(TT S50 in Asia) is a good truck. Actually I am surprise with its stock durability in taking an extreme beating/bashing - out of the box. Back flipping with bad landing on extreme ramps is not much of an issue for its stock setting..

look at video - MT Truck actions during one of our demos -

@2:00" - thats a MGT 8.0 with grave digger bodyshell doing backflip(good landing though)...

@2:40" - another one - bad landing

@3:20" - another one - back flip with bad landing

and a few other tries.

Friends MGT 8:0 was scared as his was stock and after all that tumbling - only problem was one shock came off from its casing..no broken bones/parts. Other brands - well it proves to what extent of extreme beatings/bashing it can take. Video shows E-LST2, EREVO, E-MAX, Flux and a few others.

good thing that landing was on grass. tarmac? i dunno anything can happen or break/no breaks i guess. Lady Luck is another factor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWsEl9ntpGw

if MGT 8.0 is within the budget/requirement allocated and would not want to get a flux/savage/LST..just go for MGT 6.0..single deck MT and easy to work with.

oilguy

iTrader: (85)

Lol!

+1 on all of em bein pretty damn good trucks and arent they all just kinda starting points anyways, out of the box...

bhilly82

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I have had a mgt for years, i put the rpm arms all around and the Forward only kit and the only thing i have ever replaced other then the stock servos and the turnbuckles with the ft ones is the front hinge pins. Its a beast of a truck. But between the savage and the mgt, you cant go wrong with either one.

Cinnabun

iTrader: (39)

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but my savage flux hp with the XL conversion is a beast!

Much more fun than my nitro savages. I would definitely go with a savage though

oilguy

iTrader: (85)

+1

wrenchdoctor

iTrader: (68)

I own an mgt 4.6 for the last few years and 8+ gallons and have had to rebuild the front driveshaft once. Other than that i accidently broke the pullstart by turning the engine backwards with a drill. Thats it.....

Savage xl i bought used with a brand new engine. 2 gallons and ive broken three metal gears in the tranny, which was not the trucks or my fault. The previous owner was running a 17/52 combo which will not work on the truck in its factory configuration. Went to a 15t clutchbell and havent broken anything since.

So in all honesty, i cant choose between the two and will keep both:-)
You cant go wrong either way imo

Losi build a great truck from what ive seen and heard from friends who own However ive never owned one before due to the high price of admission:-)

Revo-lution

iTrader: (14)

The Losi is too low slung and heavy to be as good at either of the things the MGT and Savage do. It drags the chassis around like a giant skid plate, limiting it's off road bashing. I was never happy with my Losi off road on anything but light duty twiggy ground. The shocks are awesome, but it's no good on a monster truck that sits on the ground. The MGT is more of a monster in terms of straight line bashing with a rock solid design since it is too top heavy to really do high speed cornering maneuvers. The Savage x 4.6 can take a corner nearly as fast as a Revo and the 4.6 is a nuclear bomb that propels the Savvy like it is shot out of a canon. I have both the 3.3 Revo and the brushless as well as the 25 and 4.6 X Savages and I can tell you that if all you have owned is one of the old dumpy top heavy Savages, you need to go experience the 4.6 X because it finally became a polished piece of equipment in this last release. It doesn't feel like a piece of lead with 4 wheels now, It feels nimble and super fast. Product support and aftermarket goes to the Savvy as well. I have all of them and where the Losi is better on flat dirt and the MGT is better in the woods, the Sav 4.6 X can do it all just a little better in one package.

Herrsavage

Do you even know what an LST is? "Sits on the ground?" What are you talking about?









(a Muggy?...)

sur3fir3

iTrader: (8)

this is an endless debate, It all depends on what you want to do with it.

nitrosevers

iTrader: (21)

+1

I have had two MGT 4.6's and a savage 21 now I have the savage xl and the LST xxl and my first pick would be the LST xxl then the savage's then the MGT.

Revo-lution

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NO I have no idea what an LST is other than the $1700.00 custom one sitting by my 4.6 X in these pics which has superior ground clearance in every way. No I have no idea what one is.