Which is better mamba Sidewinder or Quark pro car 33 amp?

Paul Whalen · 07-28-2008, 11:55 PM

I wanted to get the opinions of guys that have run these esc's. I will be running in a m18t or 18t...just bashing about no tracks around me. I have a MM in a FT T4 and really like it. I dont want any cogging and will prob run a high end BL motor and 2's-3's lipo . Any feedback on these or any other esc's will be appreciated.

Dieselpower · 07-29-2008, 05:23 AM

Well, Quark (or just the Quark end of Sky & Technologies who makes/made the quark stuff) is no longer in this country therefore support for their products is non-existent.
That being said, the new Mamba speedos are top notch. I actually used to prefer the feeling of the quarks to the CC ESCs, but the newest firmware from Mamba just blows everything else away. You should also look into the Micro Pro from Mamba as it is slightly better and not much more expensive.

Paul Whalen · 07-29-2008, 09:47 AM

Great point Diesel...I never really thought about that. With this I have always had top notch support fom CC. It only makes sense to go with them....I was just kinda itching for something different and I have heard some good things about Quark escs.
I will look into the Pro.

frogger · 07-29-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Whalen

Which is better mamba Sidewinder or Quark pro car 33 amp?

I dont want any cogging and will prob run a high end BL motor and 2's-3's lipo .

A Mongoose!!!!

Quark is no longer supported and you want no cogging which leaves the Mamba out.

High end brushless system?

.............Mongoose!!!!

Duster_360 · 07-29-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dieselpower

Well, Quark (or just the Quark end of Sky & Technologies who makes/made the quark stuff) is no longer in this country therefore support for their products is non-existent.....

Quark has ceased US operations, but you can still get support from Quark, but now you just deal with them in Korea. They're just as good, replace just as much of their stuff, but now you deal with international mail/shipping which obviously makes the process take longer. I have their current contact info posted on RC Monster, if anyone needs or wants it let me know.

Bermbuster · 07-29-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Duster_360

Quark has ceased US operations, but you can still get support from Quark, but now you just deal with them in Korea. They're just as good, replace just as much of their stuff, but now you deal with international mail/shipping which obviously makes the process take longer. I have their current contact info posted on RC Monster, if anyone needs or wants it let me know.

Good info Duster...
Hey I heard a few issues about the Quarks one was that the buttons would fall off. Is that still the case? I also remember Tony Phalen was winning an A main at the offroad mini nats and his Quark just died....
I have been around mini racing since the beginning and as bad as some people knock Castle Creations they are still around providing awesome service.

geeunit1014 · 07-29-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bermbuster

Good info Duster...
Hey I heard a few issues about the Quarks one was that the buttons would fall off. Is that still the case? I also remember Tony Phalen was winning an A main at the offroad mini nats and his Quark just died....
I have been around mini racing since the beginning and as bad as some people knock Castle Creations they are still around providing awesome service.

haha, i saw the same thing happen @ the on road nats too.

I find it hard to beileve some people still think castle systems cog, when this was solved many firmwares ago, and the lastest is unbelievably smooth in anything

frogger · 07-29-2008, 11:40 AM

Well, in addition to all my Mongoose systems and 2 x Tekin systems I also have 2 x Mamba Micro Pro systems here with the very latest firmware. My Mamba cogs or at best hesitates between braking and accelration with Mamba, Neu and Permax motors. It's just simply a feature of sensorless systems.

Also, my Mamba systems seem to have this other little feature where it keeps on powering the ESC/motor even after you switch the car off and unplug the battery, it seems for as long as the power cap is charged. The side effect of this is that it holds the motor in a braking position which means that if you pull over to the side of the track to quickly assess a drive train bind you have to disconnect motor wires before the motor will run freely (or wait for the power cap to drain which can take 5 mins).

So if it comes to advice to a fellow racer who specifically asks for a system that does not cog and I draw on my own personal experience then there is only 1 choice at the moment until such time as other manufacturers join the sensorless mini revolution.

geeunit1014 · 07-29-2008, 03:07 PM

imo you have to either have settings way off, gearing way off, or crappy batteries (like ones with dead cells) to get any sort of cogging or hesitations.

ive run a recoil with an old style mamba 25 (older fets, circutborad, etc) with a 3s lipo and an 8k geared to the moon and it doesnt do any of the things you describe. if that deosnt make it cog, nothing will.(also been ran in an 18T and an m18 with varying setups with great results with the same esc). i would reset the end points, and go to the default settings on your esc and see if that doesnt help. the only time ive ever had problems was when a motor went bad because it was used and abused!

also, check you battery connections. crappy connectors or a poor solder joint will cause dumb things to happen

frogger · 07-29-2008, 04:53 PM

Mike, 11.1v will help to reduce cogging, not make it worse. Additionaly a Recoil/M18/18T are all light cars with very light rotating mass. Put your Mamba system in a Vendetta ST with 1/10 wheels on and a 2 cell pack and see how it goes.

I use only the best equipment, top 25C 1800mah 2 cell lipo's, Deans connectors and I am beyond obsessed with correct setup so spent hours trying to get my systems smooth as butter. Even the Castle support guys (very helpful they are!) couldn't help me get rid of the hesitation. Same with Tekin.

It has to do with how sensorless brushless work. It pulses on 2 of the wires, always the same 2 wires and looks for EMF feedback on the 3rd and then ramps up the power slowly while trying to get the rotor to a known state. There is a lot you can do with software but it's a limitation of the technology only made worse by mixing and matching different motor/ESC combinations.

If you search for posts by me on here and you will see that I have run side by side comparisons of the Mamba/Tekin/Novak systems (with video evidence!) to show the difference the Mongoose make especially when it comes to low speed control.

Bermbuster · 07-29-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by frogger

So if it comes to advice to a fellow racer who specifically asks for a system that does not cog and I draw on my own personal experience then there is only 1 choice at the moment until such time as other manufacturers join the sensorless mini revolution.

No offense Frogger but the thread is about the Mamba Sidewinder vs Quark
pro car 33...you are taking this thread off topic...
Not everybody needs or wants sensored BL....
The ESC will be run in an AE RC!8 so the Sidewinder or the Quark will give awesome performance.....

geeunit1014 · 07-29-2008, 05:24 PM

ive run mine in mini infernos in the past with no problems, and wesley dennis was running a mmp in a Mlst with no problems either(pretty sure he was running a 2s as well) (neither of which are light cars), it just seems odd to me that they dont work right, ive never seen anyone's setup not work wight in any car that wasnt thier fault (and i work @ my lhs and have seen some dumb stuff

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even though the setups may be sensorless, especially with mod motors, it shouldnt make a diffrence. running my xrays (thats what i have the most experience with) the car is butter smooth, it runs around at crawl speeds no problem at all. mambas come standard eqipment in the trinity now, and that sucker is big and heavy, and you never see anyone on here with problems.

lets just agree to disagree on this one

tyreguy · 07-29-2008, 05:31 PM

I have never had cogging issues with my Sidewinder/Mamba 25/Mamba Micro Pro. They are all great units, and have fantastic factory support.

The Quark stuff is good, but as stated, they are more or less done in the USA..

I too have used the Mongoose and it is ok, but not worth the money, and the thing is HUGE, making it hard to fit in some micros...

My vote is a Castle product.

But I must agree with Berm, even though I too mentioned the Mongoose, lets keep it civil and to Castle and Quark....

Mini_Me · 07-29-2008, 08:30 PM

From the point of view of a m18t owner, you might consider spending a few extra dollars for the Mamba Mini Pro. As its smaller footprint will make placing things on the truck less of a headache. The quark is huge!

frogger · 07-30-2008, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Whalen

Any feedback on these or any other esc's will be appreciated.

From Paul's original post, he did as for feedback on any other's as well

But yes, enough said, no need to get all worked up. They're only toy cars we're talking about! I'm not slating Quark or Mamba's or Tekin's for that matter. I still use a Tekin/Neu in one of my cars and love them. It's just that I feel 'the other one'

has a slight advantage.