Cris, don't give up mate. Jealousy/naiivity/uninformed opinions are what drives most people's negativity. Having the first Micro World's will be the defining moment for the recognition of the class world wide, go for it!
You don't need any governing bodies to run races - you need marketing, support from sponsors, racers and consumers. If enough racers show interest and get their sponsors on board then media coverage will be there. The sponsors will get their brands out there, the racers will get recognition. To make it a 'Worlds' you simply need racers from more than one country, preferably from both sides of the ocean otherwise some may want to call it the Euro's.
Who gives a monkey what the rules for the race are? It has nothing to do with anything. As long as everyone racing is judged by the same rules what's the problem?
Cmon frogger, don't give a passive aggressive attack on some of us using terms like "Jealousy/naiivity/uninformed". Its unbecoming to what has been a constructive thread thus far.
Has anyone here told c0sie not to hold one? As far as I can tell, we all are for the idea. Just some of us are unsure of the execution at this point and thus suggesting ideas.
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As long as everyone racing is judged by the same rules what's the problem?
Exactly! But, who's rules though?
Thats why there is discussion here about ruling bodies. Your rules in the UK are different than what some use over here, at individual tracks, or in other parts of Europe. So currently, we all are not judged by the same rules.
Oxy, you are one of the most negative people I have ever come across ona forum. I am amazed that you think the stuff you write is 'constructive'
Anyone that tries to create a new event and push it invariably goes through a lot of hassle. Constant negativity does not exactly motivate.
Who's rules!? Who cares!? It doesn't matter who's rules are used, that's not the point. If you seriously think there needs to be all sorts of rules then why not contact Cris, ask what he has in mind and constructively suggest or discuss things that are important to you but realise that it's about more than you and the things that might be important to you may not mean anything in the biggers cheme of things.
I wonder if there will ever be more than big words from you. Would you actually ever get on a plane and participate in a world class event? I think I may know the answer.
Let me see, with less than $1000 a month. Rising cost of living. Not being good enough to compete at a national level. No, I will not. I'm up front about it. I will be watching enthusiastically from the sidelines though to see who wins what.
I suggest we take this off thread from this point as this has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
jees louise oXYnary are you just chiming in to be aggressivly making your own point for what you do at your local track or just obsessively controling of the discusssion and telling everyone that you're right and they're wrong?
The point being is that there will and has to be a set guide line to go by if the world is involved.....It is fine to have your own rules for your local tracks...We do that at my track but we also keep to the National rules that have been implemented so that people that come from another track to ours will have the same set up they have been practicing with and will not have to change a lot of things on the vehicles before they can be legal to race and not have to spend extra money out of pocket to just participate for that one race somewhere else......I would hate to come all the way to the UK to find out that I didn't have my car set up right to the rules of the track.....and then have to scramble to get the parts that I need and then race a car that I am not familiar with at a major race such as the worlds.....And I should think you would feel the same......We are only talking about rules for Big events that everyone can go by......and Oxy everyone is worthy of competing at any level...The main thing is learning about the hobby you love and most of all having fun doing it...the best place to learn is at big events when a lot more drivers and knowledge are at your fingertips...
The money is always an issue about traveling and all the expenses that ensue but that is why even IFMAR only hold their World Events every two years....So that teams and drivers can plan in advance.....
don't forget that everything said here is for the future of our sport so the goal is to grow it in a direction positively in hopes of making the Micro class a Big success for the years to come......
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Micro-man, the point I am making is that which rules a potential UK based race would use, is in the big scheme of things, unimportant and a very small part of what a world series is about. Governing bodies tend to introduce a level of politics which I for one are keen to keep out of the micro world for the time being.
Putting on a HUGE, widely attended fun event will do more for the sport than some overly bloated oppresive nightmare.
The rules (whoever's rules they may be) will be published well in advance (I would imagine with the release of the entry forms) so anyone signing up will have plenty of notice to 'get the right parts' which if you read below is a moot point.
I don't know if you have read the UK based rules that we have been using so far and if you are aware of the newest 2008-2009 BRCA Off road Micro Nationals rules but the UK rules are quite relaxed and a lot of stuff is allowed with very little restriction. The new 2008-2009 national series have only 2 classes: 4WD and 2WD, brushed and brushless motors together, lipo's and NIMH's up to 7.4v, 185mm wheelbase wheel nut to wheel nut, 205mm wide and 5mm ride height, that's about it. In the latest UKMicroX Cris even allowed 11.1v lipo's to see how they work in a racing environment.
There are no weight restrictions - lighter cars such as the RC18's has so far proven not to have any advantage at all over a whole season's worth of racing, if anything, the heavier cars are at an advantage and all titles in the BRCA series were won with Blaze\LRP\Vendetta variants. We only had an XRay M18 and a RC18 on the podium once or twice but never in first place as far as I remember.
The dimensional rules were specifically taken to include as many RTR 'micro' cars as possible (to increase participation without increasing cost) so you could even race it with a RTR Losi Slider should you want to. It includes ANY car that fit in the box including the 1/16th Tamiya's, 1/16th Inferno's, etc.
Cris and crew probably have more experience than anyone putting on micro events so rest assured all will be covered and well thought out.
And that is good that you guys have a lot of experience in this sport to bring to the table...that is much needed in almost everything......I appreciate the hard work and efforts you guys are putting forth in the micro community....
really all that matters is that the information is available early in advance before racing...I to want to keep the politics out but they do exist....we do not make the vehicles we drive...Yes I have read your rules.....So when is the race intended to be?
What cars or trucks do you race there and what set up do you guys run!
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Mike Boylan was interested in the Micro's when I showed him the Recoil and Scalpel at this years Snowbird Nationals and was wanting to showcase them maybe at next years race.....He also is part of RCTVLIVE.com great things will happen for the micro's....just keep digging......
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What cars or trucks do you race there and what set up do you guys run!
The UK has a thing for buggies so the most popular buggy is the Vendetta or even the Vendetta ST with a buggy shell. The Vendetta is also sold in Europe as the LRP Shark and Blaze.
For the 2007-2008 national series we had 2 classes, pro-stock and mod. Pro-stock was won by Craig Harris driving a LRP Shark Monster (which is a Vendetta ST) but with a buggy body and Mod was won by Cris Oxley (c0sie) using a Blaze (Vendetta).
In the past there were Monster Truck, 16th scale and touring car classes but they were not well supported. The UKMicroX2 (World's Warm Up race) will run 4WD class, 2wd class and an RC18R classes.
Sabin, in the end, the individual track does have say. Its when your dealing with larger events that having a ruling body does help and is not a hindrance.
That's the key right there. to help, not hinder.
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Unless your saying you want to run with CRT.5 electric conversions in a 1/18th class? (Someone the other day was suggesting that exact thing at the track I race at until I made them realize that CRT is basically this size of a 1/10th buggy).
I already have a brushless setup. 6800kv/mini rage. and for the tracks I go to, even the 6800 is way too much. so I'm looking for a 5400 or lower.
But; if it's a large track that works with 1/10's, a 6800 is a perfect fit.
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ex: an xray M18 with 6 cell and an xray m18 with lipo, you will have around 25% difference in weight. so a minimal weight limit for is a MUST. 25% is a BIG difference!!!
A M18 with lipo that wins would probably push the NIMH guys to get lipo in order to beat that guy. I'm seeing it happen with whenever a local club runs the micros. Most guys are going over to lipo and brushless to keep up and eventually it will get to the point where everyone's running the same equipment. An evolution of sorts where it's survival of the fittest.. or in this case, the lightest.
Just looking over the posts on the topic and think the debating is healthy as long as it doesn't get into personal attacks. This is an open forum after all and people are entitled to their views.
Anyways, I didn't realize the UK rules are 185mm for wheelbase... that's a huge difference I think compared to the stock RC18T as an example which is only about 156mm. The US nats limit is 165mm. Just thought that glaring difference is part of what Oxy is hinting at.
Frogger.....what is your or c0sie's set up for the vendetta? If you care to share with us
Do you guys run the 1/10 scale wheel adapters and run the 10th scale touring tires? If so then that should answer Mikes question!
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