VENDETTA BL motor reviews.. pros/cons

[jaejw1]

this is just my take on things.. not the word of god.. just what i have experienced ,,so take it with a grain of salt.. and with the introduction of the new ST im sure many ppl will want to find a good BL motor to put in there..

testing was at socal raceway a dirt track offroad supercross style track for 10th scale electrics

the buggy is sitting on half8th buggy wheels with proline crime fighter tires
the truggy is sitting on half8th ST wheels with the tires that come stock with it.. kyosho,,3racing

MAMBA 8000kv,, first brushless i tried in the detta
pro- vry fast.. would have been great if it were a 400 can
cons- extreme heat from usage
gearing-12/49

WRAITH 7K,, second brushless once the 8000kv died
pro- just as fast as the 8000kv
cons - another extremely hot motor
gearing -12/49 made it hot but 13/49 made it smokin hot

GH4700,, third motor.. perfect fit,, loved the heat sink
pro,- fast motor not as fast as 8000kv but still fast,, cooled down really fast for the buggy
con- hot.. heat issues,, did not like the half8th ST tires on the vendetta ST
gearing- 19/45 good for buggy bad for truggy even 16/45 was bad extreme heat and not fast at all

AON4900,, fourth motor after gh4700 died,, i thought this was the ticket
pro- fast but not what i thought,, i expected great things from this motor.. it was ok.. prfferred the gh4700 over this one.
con- i idnt expect it to get as hot as it did.. and the claims of it being a torque monster , it just didnt like the gearing
gearing-19/45

GH3600,, tried this motor on the on the buggy and it was decent i was shocked ,,,
pro - decent speed for the buggy and more than decent for the truggy
gearing - 19/41 for both the buggy and truggy

AMMO 28-35-3900,,,, best thing sinced sliced bread.. this is the mamba 8000kv for the truggy,,
pro- really fast.. impressed with its speed ,, i use this motor to race with
con- gets a lil warmer than i want.. but not anywhere near the heat of the others up top,, ball diffs are needed

PERMAX 400/4D,,,, this would be the C4 for the buggy and truggy,, this thing continues to impress me
pro-can be geared for whatever track.. stays cooler than any motor i have used ,, this is extremely awesom
con- price,, and i cant get it to heat up,, have to upgrade to ball diffs
gearing -buggy 16/41,,19/45,,1941. truggy 16/41,,19/45(which im scared to try.. dont know what i will break)


MONGOOSE 13.5,,,, test conducted at pegasus hobbies on an outdoor 10th scale dirt offroad track.. well after comparing gearing ratios with the 13.5 and trying to get something equal to the permax i figured that a gearing of 16/45 would have been what i needed.. but after 3minutes of running just to have it shut down i wasnt pleased.. i geared it at 13/49 and was completely disappointed at the speeds i was getting.. but it didnt over heat but it couldnt clear the larger jumps..

MONGOOSE 8.5,, conducted the same day as the 13.5. with pretty much the same results.. but gearing at 13/49 the motor still went into thermal and wasnt nearly as fast as the permax.. both are very smooth systems but just not made for larger dirt offroad tracks.. atleast not for the vendetta ... smaller tracks,, yes

EDIT CHANGE AS OF NOW.. 05-07-08,,,,,
MY NEW REFERENCE SYSTEM

NEU 1105/1.5y
19/45 gearing
evo2 1600mah flight power lipo
,,, i cant even describe the feeling.. the power,, the speed..
10th scale street tires with suspension set up for dirt track,,, wheelies on demand.. rlling wheelies.. i have no idea what the top speed is.. the car cant keep up with the tire spin..

IM CURRENTLY RUNNING THIS MOTOR AT 13/45 AND IM COMPLETELY HAPPY WITH IT.. VERY FAST.. VERY POWERFUL.. AND NO HEAT ISSUES.. 7000KV MOTOR RUNNING VERY EFFICIENTLY.. COULDNT ASK FOR ANYTHING MORE.. the current gearing isnt used for speed runs but on the track it is more than enoough.. runs very well with 10th and 8th scale brushless vehicles..

[duneland]

I've run most of those in my Detta. Settled on the same one as you. It is a very good match to the Detta.
Another good one that I used for a while is an ourunner e-flite 370. Lower kv required 3 cell and bigger pinion. Efficiency was through the roof! About an hour run time.
Even with the 3 cell, I don't think it would be the ticket on a bigger track like you run on.

[MADMAN23]

HOLE SMOKE'S jaejw1 i thank you cover all the bl system's lol what the best? and what 1 are you useing now?

[jaejw1]

for the buggy I use the permax
for the truggy I use the ammo

[Bermbuster]

nice review......
have you upgraded to ball diffs?

[jaejw1]

I took the ball diffs out the buggy cause I was getting ready for a race and I kept stripping the gear diffs,,,,

so right now the truggy has ball diffs and the buggy has nothing... but that will change soon

[imjonah]

What ESC are you recommending?

The Mambas are programmable via cable and computer that a factor?
Are the others as programmable or programmable enough?

Would you change your reccomendation if Vendetta was to be used on large 1/10 asphalt parking lot road course with no jumps?

[jaejw1]

mamba with ammo
quark with permax
,, i dont care for onroad asphalt.. but it will still do well.. there is a video of a detta racing a rc18 on assphalt.. i will post it later

[jaejw1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x78gOX4tg5A

[MADMAN23]

hi havn't talk to you in a while.. how much for the esc and the motor?

[jaejw1]

which combo.

[MADMAN23]

well both .....mamba with ammo
quark with permax....

[jaejw1]

the motors cost the same about 69 bux... and the esc will vary..
check towerhobbies.com
mamba 25a esc
quark pro car 33a
multiplex permax 400/4d
great planes ammo 28-35-3900

[MADMAN23]

which 1 in your opion is the best the mamba or the quark?

[jaejw1]

it depends on the motor,,,,, but the Quark has more functions it seems but the mamba is easier to set up,,,,,,
the mamba works well with the ammo and so does the Quark
but only the Quark works best with the permax

I like both the Quark did seem a lil smoother though