1/36th Rules and Regulations (Micro-T)

oXYnary · 03-10-2007, 06:57 PM

Ok, lets nip this in the bud before 1/18th happens all over again.

This thread is to help define some rules and regulations for Team Losi's Micro-T. These will be modified and reposted here in the first post as this is debated and refined by the members. Any track, group, or individual trying to organize a racing club can use (or not) the rules in the following.

If another manufacturer at a future point releases a competing product, these rules will be revisited to accommodate both so long as one does not have a distinct advantage over the other that would require a separate class.

Alpha #1
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Micro-T Spec Class.
This class is defined as a entry level class specific to keeping the vehicle stock as possible.

Rules:
-Stock N20 motor must be used.
-The electronics cannot be modified in any way (minus any changes needed for a specific transponders). This includes changing connectors.
-Only Team Losi 150mah 4 cell nimh Micro-T pack is allowed.
-Stock tires must be used unless otherwise noted by club. No pin or rib snipping allowed. Tires cannot be reversed on rims.
-Chassis, suspension, and shocks must be stock.
-Springs must not be altered, cut, bent, or use spacers.
-Stock gear diff and slipper only.
-Wheel bearings allowed, mostly because the headache of constantly replacing the stock plastic bushings.
-Stock axle e-clip axle system only.
-Minimum Weight Limit is a stock Micro-T which is currently set at 101 grams.
-To keep class consistent and fair, only the stock transmitter can be used.
-Stock body must be used, though can be painted and labeled in own motifs.

Racing Information:
-Heats are 6 minutes with a 6 Minute main.

Micro Stadium Truck Stock Class
Specific to a more even field motor wise without going overboard in costs or speed.

-Stock N20 or a specific spec motor must be used unless otherwise noted by track. The stock motor cannot be a bearinged or rewound version. Tracks reserve the right to mark with paints the endbell clamps to check for internal modifications.
-The electronics cannot be modified Except the following:
*Antenna
*Fets
*Servo*
No aftermarket esc or receivers allowed. The servo is dependent on the inbuilt electronics, changing/rewiring an aftermarket servo provides no real unfair advangate. Upgrading the Fets also does not provide a huge benefit.
-Any Lipo or Ni-mh pack that is listed for 4.8 volts or under is allowed.
-Any tire choice may be used that fits on a x.xmm diameter (stock rim). No monster sized or 1/18th sedan foam push ons allowed unless otherwise noted by track. Tires cannot be flipped for a wider trackwidth.
-Chassis may be aftermarket so long as the stock wheelbase is not changed.
-All areas of the truck can be changed for aftermarket as long as geometry of the original truck is kept.
-Minimum Weight Limit is a stock Micro-T which is 101 grams. Adding weights allowed.
-Trucks must be rear wheel drive only. Four wheel drive trucks are illegal.
-Any truck body designed for 1/36th can be used. No larger scale buggy or non open wheel body types can be used without permission from track.

Racing Information:
-Heats are 6 minutes with a 8 Minute main.

Open 1/36th Class
No holds bar with allowing any modification for pure speed machines.

-Any aftermarket brushed or brushless motor is allowed.
-Any electronics package is allowed.
-Any Lipo or Ni-mh pack that is listed for 7.4 volts or under is allowed.
-Any tire choice may be used that fits on the axle. Rims can be flipped for a wider trackwidth.
-All areas of the truck can be changed for aftermarket. Geometry of truck can changed via trackwidth or wheelbase. This includes the chassis dimensions.
-No minimum weight limit.
-Trucks can be 2wd or 4wd.
-Any body choice can be used.

Racing Information:
-Heats are 6 minutes with a 8 Minute main.

Track Information:
-Lane width must be at least "X" at all times around tracks.
X lanes = 4 Competitors
X lanes = 8 Competitors.
-Minimum dimensions for a track are: XL X XW

Tracks Types:

Roadcourse/Oval:
RCP, Carpet, Asphalt, Concrete, Linoleum/other.

Special Rules:
-All Chassis bottoms must use countersunk screws.
-Track may especially opt for a different tire combo for the Spec class depending on need.
-Other than spec, trucks can have a custom system that lacks a slipper clutch.

Off-Road:
RCP, Carpet, Asphalt, Concrete, Linoleum/other, Dirt.

Special Rules:
-No "chassis breaker" jumps allowed.

Lap Counting systems:
Because of the size of the truck, the following are lap counting systems compatible:
I-Lap: Special Micro-T infrared transponder system available. Works through stock bodies.

Hand counting systems are allowed for larger tracks with laptimes above 15 seconds. It is suggested the track use a sticker numbering system to allow easier tracking VS stock pre-painted bodies.

t9dragon · 03-11-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by oXYnary

Micro Stadium Truck Stock Class
Specific to a more even field motor wise without going overboard in costs or speed.

-Stock N20 or a specific spec motor must be used unless otherwise noted by track. The stock motor cannot be a bearinged or rewound version. Tracks reserve the right to mark with paints the endbell clamps to check for internal modifications.
-The electronics can be modified as in a different servo, or adding fets. No aftermarket esc or receivers allowed.
-Any Lipo or Ni-mh pack that is listed for 4.8 volts or under is allowed.
-Any tire choice may be used that fits on a x.xmm diameter *stock rim. No monster sized or 1/18th sedan foam push ons allowed unless otherwise noted by track. Tires cannot be flipped for a wider trackwidth.
-Chassis may be aftermarket so long as the stock wheelbase is not changed.
-All areas of the truck can be changed for aftermarket as long as geometry of the original truck is kept.
-Bearings and transmission, outdrives can be modified.
-Minimum Weight Limit is a stock Micro-T which is 101 grams. Adding weights allowed.
-Trucks must be rear wheel drive only. Four wheel drive trucks are illegal.
-Any truck body designed for 1/36th can be used. No buggy or non open wheel body can be used without permission from track.

Racing Information:
-Heats are 6 minutes with a 8 Minute main.

I have one question for you. How can you switch out the servo and use an aftermarket one, but you can't change out the junk esc/rx combo. The stock servo is a 4 wire servo and any of the aftermarket servos are 3 wires. The stock esc/rx is made to accept only the 4 wire servo.

Just my .02...........................

k_bojar · 03-11-2007, 09:45 AM

I'd give it a break man...You're never going to get all the micro tracks to agree on one set of rules..

And this is coming from one of the same guys that was bitching about ROAR trying to make a set of guidelines for micro racings..

You're doing the exact same thing

oXYnary · 03-11-2007, 03:21 PM

?que?

These guidelines only. Tracks can pick and choose what they want. I have encountered more than one track owner who wants to get smaller scale racing started, but had no clue as to where to begin with rules or even space. Documentation like this is perfect for them.

Also, I should note that many look to RC Madness for ideas of rules because of the nationals in 1/18th. Which does help my claim here of having a central place to reference. Now, rctech is the bigger racers forums, so having US (not me alone, I'm just trying to get the ball rolling), work on some will help 1/36th establish itself more quickly than 1/18th. But only after we get these guidelines more streamlined and passed around.. maybe even to Losi themselves (if they agree).

T9dragon, you haven't heard of the conversion to use another servo? You basically strip out the circuitry in such servos and hook the wires directly to the pots and servo motor. Now, given only the slight benefit this can give it might be good for stock? If not let me know the reasons why, and I will xnay it.

I was trying to mimick miniz mod ideas in the stock by using the electric board for stock. Think of stock truck here as similar to mod miniZ (minus the motor). I thought outlaw alone was the best place for the aftermarket full replacement electronics since many more people seem to do this when going to bigger motors or volts.

Again, let me know whatcha think, or where my reasoning is flawed.

::Edit::

Opps k_bojar. You did in fact say guidelines. I apologize. You want to know my reasons I bitched about ROAR? Which I stated many times over and over. It was being done behind closed doors and was relying on only people who had roar memberships. NOT because it was a central authority as you seem to think.

This will be user and track based rules and ideas. Not some nameless committee where the public had no input. I take your committee's decision during then to ignore Lipos in your final guidelines you gave to ROAR as proof in point of how in some ways you were "out of touch" with where racing was going.

k_bojar · 03-11-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oXYnary

::Edit::

Opps k_bojar. You did in fact say guidelines. I apologize. You want to know my reasons I bitched about ROAR? Which I stated many times over and over. It was being done behind closed doors and was relying on only people who had roar memberships. NOT because it was a central authority as you seem to think.

This will be user and track based rules and ideas. Not some nameless committee where the public had no input. I take your committee's decision during then to ignore Lipos in your final guidelines you gave to ROAR as proof in point of how in some ways you were "out of touch" with where racing was going.

Here's the deal, this "committe" you are so paranoid about last all of 2 weeks...Nothing ever came of it, and from the looks of it nothing will...I only volunteer to be on that committe because I RUN MICRO and do have ideas what people want to run...Out of touch?? hmmm interesting - I have no comment that I can type here that really expresses my utter confusion as how your little world of micro racing makes me out of touch with what goes on with micro racing...One track does not make you a source on the subject - whereas, what was suggested is what is run at multiple tracks, and seems to have been a common thread...

Don't turn this into a "cry cry no lipo cry cry" - dude, I ran lipos and ain't ready to dump my nimh packs in favor of lipo

BUt hey, thay must make my opinions out of touch with (your) reality...

I'll give you a little info...At the Pottbelly's ECC, in the BL class, I tihnk only 2 guys in the "A" main ran lipo in their cars...hmm, I guess that makes a whole lot of people outta touch, huh

oXYnary · 03-11-2007, 08:01 PM

I suggest we take it up our dispute in private. This thread is for the community to work with. Not for us to argue over past attempts. Lets not ruin this before its even begun.

oXYnary · 03-11-2007, 08:16 PM

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t9dragon · 03-11-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oXYnary

T9dragon, you haven't heard of the conversion to use another servo? You basically strip out the circuitry in such servos and hook the wires directly to the pots and servo motor. Now, given only the slight benefit this can give it might be good for stock? If not let me know the reasons why, and I will xnay it.

If you are talking about the mod where you strip out the circuitry and redo it. I think that is a waste of time to even try because when or if you do screw up you would need to go buy a new servo.

This was only a question as to why you posted what you said. It was not my intent to start an argument.

oXYnary · 03-11-2007, 08:28 PM

T9dragon, I guess this thread will be a debate at some point with some of the rules. As long as we keep it healthy.

Since it really doesn't give a advantage, I thought might as well leave it in stock. If people can already mod the boards with say better quality antenna's, or fets (which have been reported not to make much difference), I left that option open as well. But I can xnay it out of you like?

I guess though one of the biggest points that needs to resolved though is..
What lap systems can work with this platform? Anyone have any ideas?

t9dragon · 03-11-2007, 08:33 PM

Kool......................

I just thought I would bring up the point. I guess for me it was just easier to buy another servo and mod the truck for the servo to fit.

You have brought up several valid points as to the description of the different classes.

Bermbuster · 03-12-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by oXYnary

Ok, lets nip this in the bud before 1/18th happens all over again.

What happened to 1/18????
too many rules = complication
keep it simple.......its a toy

oXYnary · 03-12-2007, 04:29 AM

I was referencing the variety of rules and "ideas" of what constitutes a 1/18th with that comment. If we get these in now, IF this can even have a class (again the transponder the biggest obstacle that hasn't been addressed), it will help make things more organized for all involved. Look at the success of Kyoshos for Mini-Z or Tamiyas TCS for minis. Having a good base rule set has helped these to be successful.

If you want to suggest some changes to streamline these rules more though, feel free.

Here is a thought, in spec, they must use the stock transmitter. Using a aftermarket one would give a unfair advantage in changing how the steering/throttle "feels".

oXYnary · 03-18-2007, 07:57 PM

Updated.

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Changes since Alpha 0
-Added Stock transmitter to spec class.
-Rewrote servo specification to make more apparent.
-Added I-lap as a possible lap counting system.
-Upped spec classes racetime to six minutes.

R.Dalnogare · 03-19-2007, 07:32 PM

wow

steelhawke · 03-19-2007, 09:57 PM

I've been watchin this post fer,well awhile. Let it go! The 1/36 has to grow. Setting a set of rules would be impatient and almost usless at this point. Let the class work itself out. Let the hyper Mod guys do what they want and let the stock guys,well just race! I have a hunch this class can be important for getting young racers into rc. But if to many over board die-hard start moddin' everthing for stock class this would scare away alot of future rc racers. Watch the 1/14 scale is never going to make it either..........remember when stock meant outta the box?