Yes, those are the correct brushes. The ones from trinity for the Termination series also work. I have 1/10 reedy brushes in mine. I ground them down to fit. The bigger shunt and different material realy helped!
The real problem with these motors is the brush hoods. The shunts are also short and sometimes have to much solder in them. Make a smaller com stick out of a 1/10 scale stick, and clean up the hoods, then replace the brushes and your motor will go many more runs (faster too).
I couldn't resist trying brushless last night. So I put an ElectraFly outrunner in. It bolts up without mods, to the motor plate. It has a 2.3mm shaft, so I had to drill out some pinions. Started with a 19t and 2 cell lipo. Performance was on a par with a GOOD running stock motor. Dropped to a 17t pinion and put a 3 cell in....NOW WE'RE talking! Need a much better chassis set-up before I can actually use the power of that combo.
If someone was interested in a spec brushless class, the 2cell LiPo or 6 cell NiMh with this motor, would be a very nice class. The motor is made well, inexpensive, drops right in, and takes up less space than the original motor.
The motor is a D/13/32 Brushless motor. kv rating is 3200.
I couldn't resist trying brushless last night. So I put an ElectraFly outrunner in. It bolts up without mods, to the motor plate. It has a 2.3mm shaft, so I had to drill out some pinions. Started with a 19t and 2 cell lipo. Performance was on a par with a GOOD running stock motor. Dropped to a 17t pinion and put a 3 cell in....NOW WE'RE talking! Need a much better chassis set-up before I can actually use the power of that combo.
If someone was interested in a spec brushless class, the 2cell LiPo or 6 cell NiMh with this motor, would be a very nice class. The motor is made well, inexpensive, drops right in, and takes up less space than the original motor.
The motor is a D/13/32 Brushless motor. kv rating is 3200.
Thanks for the testing report! Thats just what I wanted to hear. However I was hoping to use the AON 4900 KV motor. Asfar as batteries go I think Ill be sticking to nimhs. Many tracks and organizers still view them as a liability and I am inclined to agree with them at this time.
Liabillity? Why? Are Cell phones disallowed? Laptops?
In my experience, LiPo are not any more likely to catch fire than a NiMh.
Over the last 5 years, I have seen 4 or 5 1/10 sub c packs, go up in flames in the pit area. The only LiPo I have seen go up, was one of my own. I accidentally sliced it open with an exacto. Lots of hissing and smoke, no flame. Both types of battery have caused houses to burn down.
Anyhow, it's hard to go back to NiMh, once you go LiPo.
Sorry to get off on a different topic...
Back to the Recoil.. Carisma M14 tires fit the Recoil wheels. Will try them out in a few minutes...
Yeah the Lipo debate is a totally different topic. And beleive it or not Ive been on both sides of the arguement. Id also like to say that while cel phones and computers do utilize lithium batteries its really comparing apples to oranges. Unless you go around throwing your cell phone and laptops into walls lol. Not to mention for the most part the batteries used in phones and computers use proprietary chargers that dont really allow for user error like hobby chargers do. But obviously this isnt the thread for that discussion, there are plenty of those.
But as it pertains to the Recoil I think it might be easier to make a brushless spec class out of it with Nimhs. Personally Im just getting back into the hobby and Im trying to keep things both economical and casual. Around here there is still resistance to Lipo...soo quite frankly Im not gonna stress myself out by trying to convince people that Lipos are safe. Ill run the regular 2/3 A cell; its "safe" for the tracks and there is no need to spend any money on matched packs (like thier Sub C cousins) as ive seen they do not provide any apreciable increase in performance.
P.S. Another point Id like to make. People here locally are just barely beginning to get comfortable with BL. So I figuer If I can manage to push the Recoil as a BL class, I dont really want to push my luck by pushing Lipos aswell. BL and Nimhs are kinda like a happy medium. BL gives you the power without the fuss of brushes and comm cutting and Nimhs are just easy for the establishment to deal with. I think using those two technologies would do a lot to take advantage of the potential that this car has to become the premier fast and fun spec class our hobby needs.
Wow, it must suck to live such backward land! Is your computer a Commodore? . Just kidding, it's just the opposite around here. Everyone wants bl/LiPo.
I will try my bl/recoil with a 6 cell IB pack today. It is pretty knarly with a 3 cell LiPo..
For my track, we will probably go with a stock class (6 cell/stock motor) and and open class (whatever batt/motor makes you happy). Some experimentation with motors will take place, with a possible replacement for the motor they come with. Actually the motor they come with is very good IF the brush hoods are seriously reworked and brushes replaced. Reliabillity, speed and runtime go up dramatically. Sucks that the endbell was not designed to be removed though.
I like the idea of a spec bl class as a replacement for the stock class, except for the added expense. Sure the bl will pay for itself in time (from long life and lack of maintainance). But, it's and extra $110-$150 right out of the gate.
Oh yea,,,, the carisma rear tires (CIS14014) work very well. I put a pair on the rear of my recoil and was very pleased with the results. I used the inserts out of the Recoil tires that I pulled off the rims.
I agree, the added cost of a BL is the problematic part of that equation. What would be ideal is for Sportwerks to talk to Quark or Tekin and bundle somthing like Losi did with that RTR truck of thiers. Maybe they could bring down the cost that way...dunno.
I'am new to the rctech forums, but have looked over them many times
I'am just posting to let people know of the success that I have had with the Mamba/wraith brushless combo in the recoil. I purchased this car off ebay with no electronics, so I dont know what its characteristics were like in stock form. But this thing flys and the control is unbelievable.
I first tried the Mamba esc and 6800 motor, just to see if it could handle the Recoil(knowing it probly wouldnt). The motor handled it ok, but if I really got on the throttle it would heat up to around 180, so I scratched that idea and put the Wraith in, bigger can size really helps out.
Yeah the Lipo debate is a totally different topic. And beleive it or not Ive been on both sides of the arguement. Id also like to say that while cel phones and computers do utilize lithium batteries its really comparing apples to oranges. Unless you go around throwing your cell phone and laptops into walls lol. Not to mention for the most part the batteries used in phones and computers use proprietary chargers that dont really allow for user error like hobby chargers do. But obviously this isnt the thread for that discussion, there are plenty of those.
But as it pertains to the Recoil I think it might be easier to make a brushless spec class out of it with Nimhs. Personally Im just getting back into the hobby and Im trying to keep things both economical and casual. Around here there is still resistance to Lipo...soo quite frankly Im not gonna stress myself out by trying to convince people that Lipos are safe. Ill run the regular 2/3 A cell; its "safe" for the tracks and there is no need to spend any money on matched packs (like thier Sub C cousins) as ive seen they do not provide any apreciable increase in performance.
I believe this is the charger you are looking for. Just plug and play, walk away, but not to far . Uses the same technology as cell phones and laptops. Fool proof! I use this charger with all my lipo packs.
I believe this is the charger you are looking for. Just plug and play, walk away, but not to far . Uses the same technology as cell phones and laptops. Fool proof! I use this charger with all my lipo packs.
The thing seems pretty sturdy so-far. We have been racing them for a couple weeks....there have been a couple guys with diff-gear failures. So, an extra set of gears would be wise. Tires of course. An extra suspension bag (just in case). Nothing else comes to mind.
. Just kidding, it's just the opposite around here. Everyone wants bl/LiPo.
. Uses the same technology as cell phones and laptops. Fool proof! I use this charger with all my lipo packs.
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