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Old 02-08-2007, 04:50 PM   #76
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Hmm.. Whats weird is there seems to be arr versions on sale at ebay??

EDIT: Oh nm, didnt read description, Thought it was new. Does Carisma themselves offer it ARR or even (gasp!) kit form?
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:02 PM   #77
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Hmm.. Whats weird is there seems to be arr versions on sale at ebay??

EDIT: Oh nm, didnt read description, Thought it was new. Does Carisma themselves offer it ARR or even (gasp!) kit form?
Its funny you mention that. I went looking for the original Carisma version of this car but all I could find on the net was pictures of the CF version that was shown at that hobby show. I guess Carisma never actually produced this car under thier own brand name. Seems it is only availible rebadged by Sportwerks.
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:05 PM   #78
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The oringinal introduction was at last years Neuremburg (sp?) show. Car is made by Carisma. I contacted my Horizon rep begging him to try and get the buyers to get the car. They listened, but decided to contract them to produce it for there 'house' brand--Sportwerks. They did not listen on the issue of how it should be packaged. I tried to get them to bring it in as a pro ARR or kit. It is obviously a smaller version of the most popular form of racing...1/10 touring. The biggest appeal is in the racing arena (after all, it is not a Tmaxx and has little value as a 'basher') & should be equipped as a 'racer'. They, apparently, could not see the logic in this argument.
Having said all that, it is priced low enough and the rtr equipment is not to crappy, so it doesn't hurt the budget to bad when dumping the electronics and upgrading some stuff. It's still very worth while, but would have rather had a CF version sans rtr gear. We may get one eventually, but don't hold your breath. I may offer an upgrade package soon....
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Old 02-10-2007, 12:43 PM   #79
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I have also communicated with the Horizon rep concerning an ARR version, and he says they are planning one for Fall 2007. I have been trying to get them to move that up to spring or summer, but so far no luck .
I believe the problem lies with the manufacturer in China; the Chinese just don't seem to get how things work here in the US, or they don't care! We are still the biggest market in the world and we like things now not later!
Have you noticed that all of the option parts are now available EXCEPT the most important one; the foam tires!
Again why are we being made to wait for what is certainly the most sought after option?!! If they have pictures on the Horizon website then they must exsist somewhere!
Duneland is right when he says they don't see the logic in bringing an ARR version to market now, and this should include the foam tires as well.
I encourage all the hobby shops and distributors as well as the rest of us to email or call or write Horizon and demand this issue be addressed. The person you want to contact is Bill Jeric, he oversees the Recoil and other products.
Contact him today!!!
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My LHS said the foams should be in by the end of the month. I told them to gimme a call when they come in. Thats when Ill be buying this car.
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Old 02-10-2007, 02:46 PM   #81
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Have you noticed that all of the option parts are now available EXCEPT the most important one; the foam tires!
Why are foam tires so important in an 18th scale on road car?

I've been running mine on Ozite for a while now. How is the car going to perform differently than with rubber tires? Am I going to get more laps in the same amount of time?
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Old 02-10-2007, 02:58 PM   #82
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Foams arent vital but they help make the car handle better on carpet. From what Ive been told the rubber tires hook up well on ozite carpet, but once they get sticky from the friction and track residue they develop too much grip. The owner of the track here was getting traction roll with the stock rubber. With different compound foam tires one can choose the hardness that best suites the track. And ofcourse the foams can be further tweaked with the use of traction compounds.

So yes if you choose the right compound the tires will give you handling characteristics that will lead to faster laps.
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Duneland, what is the upgrade package you are considering for the Recoil? I might be interested in that.
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Another week of racing the recoil at duneland and another week of great fun. I made some small changes to the suspension and have the car working well for my driving style. Although we do not race on carpet, the rubber tires work well on our racing surface and wear decent. It is nice that you can replace all four tires and wheels for only eleven dollars! This chassis seems to react to small changes in geometry which is great, I ran a different set-up each qualifer and was able to really smooth the car out from the factory settings, it seems that the only issue is going to be able to find a decent replacement stock motor that does not have to work so hard. It does not have to be faster, just produce more torque as the kit motor is really being overworked from a racing stand point. All in all I think everyone is really pleased so far, great kit for the dollar!
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Thanks for the report. I hope to establish some sort of brushless spec class with this, so the motors arent a problem.
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Has anyone found replacement brushes for this motor? My LHS called Horizon to get the part number for them and Horizon support told them to tell me the motors are cheap enough to replace. That's a wasteful attitude in my mind! Not to mention my brushes hanging up after about three runs because the brushes were installed poorly. If I have to buy a brand new motor every 5-10 runs, even at $15, this is going to turn into an expensive car.
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On mine, the motor brush shunts seem way too stiff...I could tell in the second heat yesterday that they were starting to hang up a little. I think I'll be trying an RC18T Super 370 motor next...those just run and run, and are probably as strong as the stock Recoil motors, without the brush issues. While I'd like to go brushless, I think the class will become a brushed motor spec class soon, so I'll wait and see what happens on that front.

I can't wait till the foams come...I expect the car to jump up a couple laps with the foamies...the rubber tires are just a little unpredictable. Traction roll one time, and slide past the corner the next.

Speed wise the car was on par with the 18T's running brushed motors, but the Recoil motor was getting VERY hot after 5 minutes on the track. I jumped down to an 11 tooth pinion, which helped, but I don't like running that small of a gear...makes the car pretty loud. I'm hoping that the foams, when they're cut down, will be smaller in diameter than the rubber tires so I can gear up a couple of teeth.

I broke a rear suspension mount in the first heat...on one of those "slide by the corner" turns, I smacked the wall sideways and snap she went. Luckily, the hobby shop at the track had the parts, and 10 minutes later it was back up and running.

I qualified 2nd out of 10 mini's yesterday, and ended up winning A-main yesterday at The Barn (www.thercbarn.com) with a basically stock Recoil (I was running IB1200 batteries, as the stock pack stinks) against a class full of modded 18T's running on foams. I was turning 35-36 laps with my old 18T with cut down foams the last couple of weeks, but dropped down to just over 31 laps with the Recoil...luckily it was still enough to pull out a win. Several of the 18T's had faster lap times, but I kept pretty clean in the main, and won by about 5 feet at the end of 5 minutes. Good times!
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I replaced the stock brushes with ones from reedy, they are designed to be soldered on and the shunts are plenty long. Most of us have also dropped one tooth on the pinion to help the motor out.
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I replaced the stock brushes with ones from reedy, they are designed to be soldered on and the shunts are plenty long. Most of us have also dropped one tooth on the pinion to help the motor out.
Do you have a part number or anything? Are they brushes specifically for a 370 motor or are you using the Mini Mod 280 sized motor brushes? How do they perform compared to stock?

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I'm guessing these are the ones you used?

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