Ah, thats been questioned already. The class's were initially put together by Horizon Hobby for a one off meeting to kick start some interest elsewhere, which indeed it has. Its debatable as to if we would get any further support (at our small club), so perhaps we could come away from their regs a bit. That would allow us to use Carisma hop ups (as none of the components carry a brand mark, who's to know anyway )
We've been discussing a 3rd class for the future that will permit anything as long as the dimensions of the car remain the same as the Recoil. This will allow the use of CEFX and Out Front Frames Carbon Fibre conversions as well as brushless/LiPo power, and (for example) the Carisma One Way. We've still only got 12 or so regular competitors in the class at our club, so diluting it with a 3rd class will only happen if the numbers significantly increase, or if the majority of racers want to run a completly free class.
Nationally, I can see strict Sportwerks only components, so that any support from Horizon continues. They're putting some weight behind a Touring Car winter series that attracts some very quick drivers, and have added a Recoil class to the normal Stock, Super Stock and Mod TC's, although the Recoil specs seem a bit vague at present, but I'm sure that will change.
I'm split as to keeping it controlled or making it more open.
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I don't think that a Sportwerks only hop-up will increase the popularity of the class. Quite the opposite in fact. This car is so much like the 1/10 tcs that the classes should be similar in concept. I treat the stock class like the 1/10 stock class. Motor & battery limitations (would require min weight and other dimensions be observed if a big race were in place). you can do anything you want with regard to set-up and electronics. Stock motor is defined as the one that came with the car or the more appropriately sized 380 upgrade for the Carisma M14 (pretty much the same performance as the stock motor).
Mod class will pretty much open. any motor/esc/battery you think you can handle.
Ah, thats been questioned already. The class's were initially put together by Horizon Hobby for a one off meeting to kick start some interest elsewhere, which indeed it has. Its debatable as to if we would get any further support (at our small club), so perhaps we could come away from their regs a bit. That would allow us to use Carisma hop ups (as none of the components carry a brand mark, who's to know anyway )
We've been discussing a 3rd class for the future that will permit anything as long as the dimensions of the car remain the same as the Recoil. This will allow the use of CEFX and Out Front Frames Carbon Fibre conversions as well as brushless/LiPo power, and (for example) the Carisma One Way. We've still only got 12 or so regular competitors in the class at our club, so diluting it with a 3rd class will only happen if the numbers significantly increase, or if the majority of racers want to run a completly free class.
Nationally, I can see strict Sportwerks only components, so that any support from Horizon continues. They're putting some weight behind a Touring Car winter series that attracts some very quick drivers, and have added a Recoil class to the normal Stock, Super Stock and Mod TC's, although the Recoil specs seem a bit vague at present, but I'm sure that will change.
I'm split as to keeping it controlled or making it more open.
So, my Recoil is on its way and I have read all 20 pages of this thread. I am a little more in the know but still unsure. What would be a list of changes for this car to make it a nice, solid car? I know it starts out with a good platform. So far, this is what I have gathered:
1. Motor and battery replacement - I am looking for fast but still controllable.
2. Steering servo - Hitech or other?
3. CVD's - who has the best price?
4. electronics - any suggestions?
5. bearings - which ones?
That is just a start, I am sure. Does that look like the proper order as well? Anything I have missed?
Thanks in advance! This is a great thread! I am looking forward to playing/racing/kicking ass with this one!
BTW, as you may have noticed, I am crossing over from nitro. Not permanently but would like to dabble in electric a while.
Is the goal to be racing it with other Recoils at a track or will you just be bashing?
I will be bashing initially. My local track is new and will be starting up a small scale racing circuit soon. I live near Horizon Hobbies and a guy was test running one on their track. I hope to try my hand at racing the Recoil once I get used to it. I will talk to the track owner and see what class he is thinking about running.
I will be bashing initially. My local track is new and will be starting up a small scale racing circuit soon. I live near Horizon Hobbies and a guy was test running one on their track. I hope to try my hand at racing the Recoil once I get used to it. I will talk to the track owner and see what class he is thinking about running.
I would talk to your track owner first before deciding on what changes you're going to make. You don't want to change anything that will keep you from being able to race at the track in the future. Of course you can put everything back but it'll be a waste of money.
I would talk to your track owner first before deciding on what changes you're going to make. You don't want to change anything that will keep you from being able to race at the track in the future. Of course you can put everything back but it'll be a waste of money.
I hear ya. But wasn't there talk about some deficient parts that come with the Recoil? I remember reading a lot about replacing the stock motor (Carisma 380) and the steering servo. True? That would basically keep it stock but clear up any issues.
I hear ya. But wasn't there talk about some deficient parts that come with the Recoil? I remember reading a lot about replacing the stock motor (Carisma 380) and the steering servo. True? That would basically keep it stock but clear up any issues.
You are right. The stock 370 motor is not up to snuff. It's fast but burns up fast. The stock servo for some is too slow. It was for me. Others at my track are still using it though.
Another thing to consider for the track is to allow foams. The foams lasts a lot longer than the rubber tires and IMO the car handles better.
You are right. The stock 370 motor is not up to snuff. It's fast but burns up fast. The stock servo for some is too slow. It was for me. Others at my track are still using it though.
Another thing to consider for the track is to allow foams. The foams lasts a lot longer than the rubber tires and IMO the car handles better.
Cool. I just spoke to the track owner and he said they haven't made anything official yet. There are several mini's that come by but he hasn't assembled a points type race yet. They do allow foams and I agree on the use. However, when I used them on my nitro car, their surface either was dirty or something 'cause I couldn't get much grip. Must have been all that power!
Cool. I just spoke to the track owner and he said they haven't made anything official yet. There are several mini's that come by but he hasn't assembled a points type race yet. They do allow foams and I agree on the use. However, when I used them on my nitro car, their surface either was dirty or something 'cause I couldn't get much grip. Must have been all that power!
You probably already know the asphalt needs to be sprayed with traction compound (soda, etc) for foams to work.
Cool. The Horizon guys race near you then. You should call Rusty at Horizon and ask him where they race regularly. He mentioned to me he and a bunch of people were regularly racing Recoils indoors on carpet. It sounds like whatever the other tracks are doing your new track should probably follow in their footsteps so everyone down there can have the same rules so racers can go from track to track and be competitive.
I'd assume for Recoils there would be a "stock" class made up of the 6 cells and the stock motor or a Carisma motor, and obviously a "Mod" class which would be anything goes.
Currently at our track we're letting all Recoils race together no matter what the setup. Our track is an 1/18th scale size setup. 30 feet x 20 feet. On this size track the modded out cars don't really have an advantage because of the small track size. A brushless Recoil can't really overtake a stock car for the most part.
nitronubee,
Is Jtec the track in question? A friend of mine tried to run on the track on an off-road day. It was very dusty and un-sprayed. Very slippery. Hopefully, it will be totally blown off and sprayed on an on-road day. Foams should work well in that event.
1. if racing mod; Brushless 380 size motor (I like the ElectraFly outrunner w/3 cell LiPo)
2. Almost any servo other than HiTec. Airtronics, JR & Futaba all make quality servos in the appropriate size.
3. The CVDs are incredibly inexpensive. No need to shop around. Buy them where you race.
4. If you go brushless, I like the Quark 33 amp car esc. or the Mamba.
For brushed there are good choices from Novak and LRP. Go with esc intended for 1/10 scale.
5. car has bearings every where except steering rack and in the C-hub. Replace those bushing with bearings if you like. But won't make much difference in the car.
nitronubee,
Is Jtec the track in question? A friend of mine tried to run on the track on an off-road day. It was very dusty and un-sprayed. Very slippery. Hopefully, it will be totally blown off and sprayed on an on-road day. Foams should work well in that event.
1. if racing mod; Brushless 380 size motor (I like the ElectraFly outrunner w/3 cell LiPo)
2. Almost any servo other than HiTec. Airtronics, JR & Futaba all make quality servos in the appropriate size.
3. The CVDs are incredibly inexpensive. No need to shop around. Buy them where you race.
4. If you go brushless, I like the Quark 33 amp car esc. or the Mamba.
For brushed there are good choices from Novak and LRP. Go with esc intended for 1/10 scale.
5. car has bearings every where except steering rack and in the C-hub. Replace those bushing with bearings if you like. But won't make much difference in the car.
YES IT IS! Yeah, a little disappointing. It was pretty small and I had to sweep a lot of pebbles off the track. I still got my pulley chewed up (on an MTX-2 no less-hard to find)! And my car was absolutely filthy when I got home. Oh, they will get there soon. Everyone around here is big into off-road so I am just lucky to have some sort of track I can go to.
chicagokenji: I wonder if it was Rusty who came out to race. The track owner did say he sprayed some Grape Nehi or something down. It needs it bad!
Thanks for the info Duneland! I may need help tracking down some of your suggestions BUT, the guy I bought the car from is throwing in a Mamba 8000 and an unknown (by me) ESC (I assume it matches)!! I should get it tomorrow, I'll let you know what it is so we can work from there. I may still pick up the Carisma motor for consistancy and ease of maintenance. Then, use the Mamba to get crazy with or race the mod class if Jtec gets going.
They are going to put up a nice indoor track for winter racing but it might be too small for the Recoil.
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I am a little more in the know but still unsure. What would be a list of changes for this car to make it a nice, solid car? I know it starts out with a good platform. So far, this is what I have gathered:
Oh, they will get there soon. Everyone around here is big into off-road so I am just lucky to have some sort of track I can go to.
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