1/14 Recoil!! - Page 25

duneland · 04-02-2007, 07:50 AM

The brush problem is common. Use a Comm stick to deburr the brush hoods. I ground down some 1/10 scale sticks. There are brushes available from Ready and trinity that fit. I ground down some 1/10 brushes (that way I got larger shunts). That gave me a lot more time on the stock motor before it went south. The motor is just too small for the car. The 380 upgrade for the Carisma is a longer lasting, no maintainance option (part numbers and info on earlier post).
Rusty, re-read earlier posts...Carisma wheel does not fit. Carisma tires do fit Recoil wheels. We have had some wheel breakage with Carismas anyway. So far, the wheels in the Foam tires for Recoil, are not breaking. They seem to be stronger than the stock ones.
I have stock tire/wheels and foams in stock. You can call the store if you need to order. 219-763-1610

RoboRC · 04-02-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by steelhawke

Oh and the brushes hang up in the motor every 4-5 minutes. Anyone have a trick to keep the stock motor brushes from hanging up???

What are some of the symptoms of the brushes hanging? The reason I ask is because I have never had a hung brush and something is wrong with my car. I was running it yesterday and after about 30 seconds, the car slowed WAY down on a fully charged battery. It seemed as if something was bound up in the drive train, but after inspecting it, I could find nothing wrong. It seemed as smooth as normal. So I charged up another pack just to be sure it wasn't the battery and got the same results... I could give it full throttle and the wheels would barely spin.

Does this sound like a motor problem?

So if I were to replace the motor, are there any recommendations as to what I should get? I would like to stay with brushed at this point. Does anyone recommend the XLR8? I have heard a few people say they have problems. What about another 380 motor? I would prefer something that I can throw in with the stock motor mount and pinion as I don't have time prior to Tuesdays race night to do any more than that. Does the XLR8 mount right up?

Thanks for the help!

Robo

Nexus · 04-02-2007, 10:06 AM

The XLR should mount right up and is pretty fast or atleast faster then the stock.

Otherwise use the Carisma 380. You just need an adaptor plate and dremel out the chassis opening to fit the 380. Most people around here have done the 380 conversion and run fine.

RoboRC · 04-02-2007, 12:07 PM

Does it sound like my stock motor is toast?

One of the guys at my LHS told me that they have had so many stock motors go bad that they called Horizon to complain to them. Apparently the LHS is collecting all of the bad motors and are going to send them back to Horizon so Horizon can replace them. I don't know how valid this is, but that's what they told me.

I have called around to a few hobby shops in my area, but have had no luck finding the Carisma 380 or the adaptor in stock. I would like to have it for Tuesdays race night, but I don't really want to pay the $30.00 it would cost to ship it overnight.

I guess I will either have to buy another stocker or pick up a XLR for now. The XLR seems a bit expensive compared to the stock motor… especially if the reliability is not any better.

Would anyone recommend a motor by Reedy, Trinity, etc...? I don't know much about these smaller motors, but I see Reedy has a 280 and Trinity has a line of Monster motors for 1/18 scale. Seems like most of these fall into the same price range as the XLR, so I would prefer to have the reliability of Reedy or Trinity to the Werks motor. Has anyone tried mounting one of these up?

Robo

Nexus · 04-02-2007, 01:01 PM

Find a Hobby store locally if you can that sells airplane stuff. The adaptor is a part that those guys generally use as opposed to car guys.

The XLR, Trinity, and Reedy or nice but all more expensive. The Carisma 380 is cheap and works well.

RoboRC · 04-02-2007, 05:10 PM

Yes, but will they mount up without modification?

RCGaryK · 04-02-2007, 05:33 PM

No modifications are required to use the XLR8 Motor.

chicagokenji · 04-02-2007, 05:40 PM

380 carisma motor, 12 bucks:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...source=froogle

Eflight adapter, 3 bucks:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=EFLM1910

you take the new motor and hold it against the motor mount and draw a sharpie mark on it, then use a dremel and grind the motor opening that's already in the chassis. It take about 3 minutes to open the cutout properly.

We did it to our Recoil. The new Carisma motor runs about the same as the stock Recoil motor but doesn't need anywhere near the maintenance of the stock motor. I think I have about 4 races(12 runs plus about 45 minutes of runtime in total of practice time) on the Carisma motor and it's still running well.

I took another Recoil and dropped the XLR8 ( I don't have the stock number for the 31 dollar upgrade) motor into it. It is way faster and has more punch than the stock motor the Recoil comes with. If eveyone at my track had that motor I'd just get the XLR8 but most people here are running the Carisma or the stock motor.

duneland · 04-03-2007, 06:40 AM

Expect even more maintainance requirements from the XLR8! The Carisma swap is meant to match performance of the original kit motor, for stock racing. Might as well go brushless if more performance is wanted.
Original motor is just too small for this size car. On the subject of brushless, I recomend a 380 -400 size motor. Brushed or brushless, too small a motor size will put amp draw at or beyond the motors abillity to cope.

RoboRC · 04-03-2007, 07:03 AM

Hi All!

Thanks for the information, but I guess I was not being clear in my quest for information... I apologize!

I understand the XLR will mount with no problems and I was able to locate the Carisma motor and mounting plate thanks to Dunelands post a few pages ago, but what I was really wanting to know is whether or not the Reedy and Trinity motors would mount up to the Recoils stock motor mount without modification.

The reason behind this was that I wanted to race on Tuesday (today) but there was no way I was going to be able to get the Carisma motor and motor plate before race time unless I spent an extra $30.00 in shipping. And even then there was no guarantee it would get to me in time. I was not willing to take that chance. I called three different hobby shops here in town (all carry aircraft parts) and none had the motor or the plate, but all had plenty of the Reedy/Trinity 1/18 motors. My plan was to pick up one of those, as many are priced similar to the Werks XLR motor ($30 range). I was hoping for some recommendations as to which of the Reedy/Trinity motors might push the Recoil around with no problems and without having to make many modifications to get it mounted. I trust the reliability of the Reedy and Trinity motors more than the Werks motors.

In any case, I didn't want to take a chance with buying a motor that wouldn't fit so last night I ended up picking up the Werks XLR 8 motor. I will place an order for the Carisma and take my chances with the XLR until I receive it. If the XLR lasts, then it was a good buy... if not, then I will chalk it up to desperation!

Thanks!

Robo

t9dragon · 04-03-2007, 01:28 PM

I'm just curious if anyone has tried the Align 430L brushless motor in their Recoil?

RoboRC · 04-03-2007, 03:58 PM

Another question...

What are the three orangeish peices of foam that come with the kit for? I assume to make tire foams out of?

RCGaryK · 04-03-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RoboRC

Hi All!

Thanks for the information, but I guess I was not being clear in my quest for information... I apologize!

I understand the XLR will mount with no problems and I was able to locate the Carisma motor and mounting plate thanks to Dunelands post a few pages ago, but what I was really wanting to know is whether or not the Reedy and Trinity motors would mount up to the Recoils stock motor mount without modification.

I have used the Reedy 19T motor in mine. I was a bit disappointed that the motor screw holes stripped out REALLY easily, but it worked and was quick too.

Thai3g_Eclipse · 04-03-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by t9dragon

I'm just curious if anyone has tried the Align 430L brushless motor in their Recoil?

I'll let you know tommorow.

Dasmopar · 04-03-2007, 10:09 PM

hi everyone!! I was linked to this thread on another forum and had to join this forum for this thread alone. I have not found many people trying to make their recoil fast up to this point. I have been out of the hobby since 2003 and just got back into it when i saw these little cars. I raced 1/8th on road for years, 1/12th on carpet for yrs, and sedans on and off for a few yrs.

Here is where I'm sitting as of right now.
1.5 week old recoil
Mods
Mamba 6400 ( burned up and dead from four 5 min races on carpet.)
Dynamite 9200
2 cell Thunder power Li-Po
3 cell Thunder power Li-Po
sportwerks Adjustable turn buckles
Duratraks ball diff in the rear and a gear diff in the front. (LHS only had one ball diff in stock)
35 weight shock oil up front
30 weight in the rear
CV driveshafts
pink foams turned down to 1.8"
12t pinion
58t spur
-2º camber all the way around
about 1.5º toe out in the front.
About 1.5º toe in in the rear.

So for right now I'm racing on carpet and like the other guy was saying I also had to slow the servo down to help keep the car from traction rolling. The car is slammed and on has about 1mm ground clearence right now also. The car is pretty good right now but I'd like to turn the servo speed back up and not traction roll. I think cutting the tires down is going to help also but we shall see.

Here are a few pics from last week.

My goal is to be faster than stock sedans. Last week I would have been 5th in stock sedan. I need to figure out how to stop burning up these motor's too. Thats gonna get expensive really fast doing that.