gabe:
the 414m2 is so cheap over there in aust???...
well...
i do have an offer 4 my 414m,dunno if it will go through,but if it doesn't,it dun bother mi much also...dun mind having it in my stable...hehee...
3k is seriously too much for a beginner who doesn't even know if he will like this hobby...
zerotorc:
mayb u would like 2 go down 2 the track...c if any1 is willing 2 let u drive around...also hang around after tat,c wat the RCers r doing n think 2 urself if u r willing 2 spend time doing those things...should help u decide on whether u wan 2 get into this hobby...
Originally posted by ijnek tamiya cars r not so bad,...the trf 414m car jus won the recent world champion.
well,...dun condemn tamiya...the price r high bcos of the dealers,but their cars r pretty gd...i understand that parts r not cheap n hard 2 find,but their kits in JB n s'pore r pretty well-priced...
hehee...how much is the xray t1 evo2 in KL n where can i c the car???
Ummm, I think you should know by now that the car is half and the other half is the driver.
The Thai chap could have taken the world champ throphy if he was driving a PRO2/PRO3.
If you want to look at results around the world and base it solely on brand alone, you will see that most of the electric open races are won by Xrays and not Tamiyas.
Originally posted by zerotorc The second hand Xray was already sold. Another one coming for about RM800. From what I can see the current trend is more towards Nitro here in KL. According to the person at Nam Lee, the last race at Titiwangsa, only 10% were going electric.
Correction, the last open electric race in Titiwangsa only attracted 8 people of which 6 were people from HPI. 1 from Yokomo (Chee Yong) and the other one was an ..... XRAY.
Guess who won?...
Anyways, it's true. Everybody is into Nitro. Wong from TP Racing is basically selling NTC3s. I don't think he's selling electric much like he used to. In fact, if you catch him in Titiwangsa, he'll be driving an NTC3. No doubt about it.
Yup seems like a lot are going nitro, me thinking about it too, but I really hate tuning the freaking engine... had a tough time the last time I have a nitro, stupid engine always have some kind of problem, either too little fuel or too much or sometime just kenot start... If you wanna get nitro, its heavy investment, dont buy the cheaper cars, get a good one and you will not regret, come over to nam lee on Sundays between 1-4p.m., lots of nitro guys are there, only batt car is mine.
Recommend you get the nitro tc3 if you are interested, but I think you gonna have to invest at least RM2,500....+ lots of time trying to figure out how to tune the engine. You will probably need Thomas help on this.
Engine tuning is an art. You'll have to understand first what all the needles do, what it does and how it affects the performance of the car. Once you get it, then it's very easy and simple common sense.
You tune the engine by the revving of the engine sound and also by the white smoke at the end of a rev. You only use temperature as an indication if the engine is tuned and working at a safe temperature, not tune the engine to temperature.
Contrary to what people believe, Nitro is not a heavy investment. If you're serious about battery cars, you'll spend even more than Nitro.
Anyway, which is you car? I don't see any battery cars running on Sundays in Atria.
Engine tuning is an art. You'll have to understand first what all the needles do, what it does and how it affects the performance of the car. Once you get it, then it's very easy and simple common sense.
You tune the engine by the revving of the engine sound and also by the white smoke at the end of a rev. You only use temperature as an indication if the engine is tuned and working at a safe temperature, not tune the engine to temperature.
Contrary to what people believe, Nitro is not a heavy investment. If you're serious about battery cars, you'll spend even more than Nitro.
Anyway, which is you car? I don't see any battery cars running on Sundays in Atria.
Me!!! the one with the electric TC3... What about you? I normally finish running by 3, got some other appointment. Is there gonna be another big open electric race soon? I think I still need some time to play at titiwangsa, not used to the big track. What are the rules, how to register and how much? go any power over there? Foams? rubbers?
InitialD: The Tx/Rx is Sanwa M9 (RM280). I suppose, if you compare the price of the NTC3 with a complete Factory Team TC3, I would agree that the total prices are not going to be much different.
As I'm a newbie, the way I see it is that the electric kit gives me more option i.e. go for Racer kit if no budget for Factory Team now. I agree with the argument that getting the Factory Team which is complete with all the hopups is better value. But, as I don't know how long I'll be into the hobby, a safer investment is the cheaper kit. It's an expensive hobby generally, so I have to be careful. Which explains why I'm writing on this forum without a car to show for it, yet
Originally posted by zerotorc InitialD: The Tx/Rx is Sanwa M9 (RM280). I suppose, if you compare the price of the NTC3 with a complete Factory Team TC3, I would agree that the total prices are not going to be much different.
As I'm a newbie, the way I see it is that the electric kit gives me more option i.e. go for Racer kit if no budget for Factory Team now. I agree with the argument that getting the Factory Team which is complete with all the hopups is better value. But, as I don't know how long I'll be into the hobby, a safer investment is the cheaper kit. It's an expensive hobby generally, so I have to be careful. Which explains why I'm writing on this forum without a car to show for it, yet
RM3k is a heavy investment for me, for now.
Umm, are you confused between Nam Lee (Joyce) and TP Racing? Nam Lee as far as I know does not sell electric TC3s. Only Nitro TC3s. TP Racing sells any Associated Electric (AE) brand for your info.
With that controller plus everything else you need to run the car i.e. starter box, glow plug etc, I would think that the price is about right. I don't know what else Joyce is giving you, so RM 3K can be "cheap" also.
A NTC3 kit plus an ordinary OS engine plus muffler and decent tuned pipe would safely land you about RM 2,000. The controller / receiver plus servos as you mentioned would add another RM 500 to 600.
Anyway, you wouldn't want to pair up a race breed car with that Tx/Rx. It'll be a waste. My opinion.
Originally posted by wyl03 gas is not too exp, initial investment.
just get the right equipment.
don't overspend, invest.
Yes, try to make the purchase of the RC enquipment an investment in your hobby as much as you possibly can. Things like allen tools, setup tools and controllers / servos are worthwhile investment. They "pay" you back many times over. Things like servos can be transfered to another car if you decide to sell the old and get a new one.
For batteries, I think they are more expensive. One decent battery pack can cost you anywhere between RM 150 to 200 and 3000 mAh NiMH ones for about RM 250 to 300. These batteries will give you 5 minutes of run time on the track. Can you seriouly tell me that only one battery pack is enough? I'm sure you want to run a few more rounds. So at the very least, in order to get some satisfaction, 4 to 5 battery packs should be in order. So assuming 5 battery packs at an average of RM 200 per pack, that's RM 1,000 ringgit.
This is not including charger / discharger yet. For these batteries to last long and to make sure that they always give the best performance, you need to invest in a good charger / discharger. They can go from RM 500 to RM 1,000 or more. With those good chargers / dischargers too, you cannot guarantee that your batteries will last long. I'm told they last about a year and then you'll notice the performance degredation.
For nitros, you only have to buy fuel. They go from RM 80 to 100 for a gallon. Unlike batteries, the speed of the car is constant all the time untill you run out of fuel of course. Batteries deteriorate over time and the speed of the battery car is not constant all throughout the 5 minute run time.
right on brudder!
get the right tools. buy PROPER ones (applies to both elec and gas cars) .. hardened tool, vanadium, etc ..otherwise you'll be frustrated when they wear out just trying to remove your car's screws! HUDY's are nice but only get the essential ones that you need. i have one for removing the engine from its mount. we all know how challenging that can be at times.
all in all .. i just find nitro a bit more "low tech". things don't change as dramatically as elec (e.g. 1700s to 2000s to 2400s to 3000s batts). if u compare car to car (elec vs gas), equipment to equipment, everything will change from year to year. but i just cannot help but feel that with gas, your equipment can still keep you competitive slightly longer. after all, the usual developments are the engines. and most pple don't need the M-Speed OSs, Collari's, JPs, etc ..
once u've got all your basic tools, your car and engine (with good filter + fuel) should last u for a long time . with proper care of course.
many pple overlook the maintenance aspect of the equipment. just like you handle your exp batteries and ESCs like gold nuggets, you should also maintain and clean your engines regularly. they will serve you a long time.
btw, Nam Lee = thomas tan, TP Racing = wong soo wei ...
err .. joyce = thomas's wife? not sure, sorry :X
Originally posted by wyl03 right on brudder!
get the right tools. buy PROPER ones (applies to both elec and gas cars) .. hardened tool, vanadium, etc ..otherwise you'll be frustrated when they wear out just trying to remove your car's screws! HUDY's are nice but only get the essential ones that you need. i have one for removing the engine from its mount. we all know how challenging that can be at times.
all in all .. i just find nitro a bit more "low tech". things don't change as dramatically as elec (e.g. 1700s to 2000s to 2400s to 3000s batts). if u compare car to car (elec vs gas), equipment to equipment, everything will change from year to year. but i just cannot help but feel that with gas, your equipment can still keep you competitive slightly longer. after all, the usual developments are the engines. and most pple don't need the M-Speed OSs, Collari's, JPs, etc ..
once u've got all your basic tools, your car and engine (with good filter + fuel) should last u for a long time . with proper care of course.
many pple overlook the maintenance aspect of the equipment. just like you handle your exp batteries and ESCs like gold nuggets, you should also maintain and clean your engines regularly. they will serve you a long time.
btw, Nam Lee = thomas tan, TP Racing = wong soo wei ...
err .. joyce = thomas's wife? not sure, sorry :X
Yes, Joyce is Thomas' wife (with 3 kids BTW).
I agree with you on the fact that the technology on electric cars go faster. Things there get more obselete. Not so for nitro cars.
For engines? Just get a decent Novarossi one or any Italian based Nova engines. They are powerful enough. No need to go for the greatest and baddest engines. What is fast when you cannot handle the speed the engine can give?
InitialD: I got the shops right I asked Joyce if they have any electric TC3s, and she gave me the impression that they can supply it to me (although I didn't see any in the shop). I hope nobody gets into trouble for that statement.
You're right about the price, NTC3 with engine - approx RM2k. The Tx/Rx, batteries for Tx and Rx, charger, starter box, glow starter, fuel, fuel bottle and painted body (single color) - another approx RM1k. Good radio - add another RM500.
Ok, this thread being for "stuff for sale", any body got second hand things to sell, nitro or electric?
InitialD: What do you suggest for a starter Nitro car? Something not beyond RM2k - RM2.5k.
I asked Joyce if they have any electric TC3s, and she gave me the impression that they can supply it to me (although I didn't see any in the shop). I hope nobody gets into trouble for that statement.
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