LOOKING TO RACE 1/12 SCALE NEED ADVICE
09-26-2012, 09:41 AM
#1
LOOKING TO RACE 1/12 SCALE NEED ADVICE
LOOKING TO START RACING 1/12 SCALE WHATS A GOOD CAR MOTOR ,SPEED CONTROL ,BATTERY WHAT TIRE, GEARING ANY HELP IT WOULD BE GREAT LOOKING FOR A USED CAR ALSO LOCAL
09-26-2012, 10:55 AM
#2
used
I may be able to help out in the used car department. Which city are you in?
09-26-2012, 12:04 PM
#3
Chassis is a loaded question as it is with any class. I would say in general, CRC is the least expensive and some would argue quality (I think pretty much all the 12th scales are well built). The Associated 12R5.2 is the newest and many are thinking the best. Xray X12 is right there with it, though parts availability on the Associated might be a little better (Nexus is in Marietta so that means Xray parts are close, plus Hot Shots is stocking some). Serpent, BMI, etc are all a little more exotic, which means parts sourcing is more difficult. Just starting out, I would look for a 12R5 (.1 or .2 if you want) or a CRC Gen XL. Used will set you back $100 to $150.
Motor is again preference, but the new Duo 3.5's are pretty amazing. Revtech and Reedy make good ones as well.
ESC, we mostly are Blinky now. Tekin RS or LRP SXX V2 (not the TC spec as it is too tall). Tekin means receiver pack, LRP is the easiest plug and play and my personal preference (beyond my BD). Just starting, feel free to use almost anything as long as it is no timing or you can turn off timing (the Novak GTB, etc can all work).
Batteries are 1s. Look for something 5000mah+. They are fairly inexpensive.
Servo, there are only a few options, but the Futaba 9650 is used $40-50 and available most anywhere and a good solid quick servo.
Tires it is also preference, but the common combos are (front/rear) black/gray, black/yellow, double pink/pink. Black/graylow also work but are only available in crc.
Come on down to Hot Shots Wednsday or Saturday and one of us can help you and answer questions.
Motor is again preference, but the new Duo 3.5's are pretty amazing. Revtech and Reedy make good ones as well.
ESC, we mostly are Blinky now. Tekin RS or LRP SXX V2 (not the TC spec as it is too tall). Tekin means receiver pack, LRP is the easiest plug and play and my personal preference (beyond my BD). Just starting, feel free to use almost anything as long as it is no timing or you can turn off timing (the Novak GTB, etc can all work).
Batteries are 1s. Look for something 5000mah+. They are fairly inexpensive.
Servo, there are only a few options, but the Futaba 9650 is used $40-50 and available most anywhere and a good solid quick servo.
Tires it is also preference, but the common combos are (front/rear) black/gray, black/yellow, double pink/pink. Black/graylow also work but are only available in crc.
Come on down to Hot Shots Wednsday or Saturday and one of us can help you and answer questions.
09-27-2012, 01:36 PM
#5
I have my son's CRC he doesn't use that I can let go. As for the racing, I know.
09-27-2012, 02:42 PM
#6
Ok Racers here it is.
A compiled list of information, and links to help guide you on your quest to build and race 12th scale.
If you live in So-Cal....
At the moment the only track with a regular showing of 12th scale racers is TQ Racing in Chino Hills
http://www.tqrcracing.com/
Camarillo RoadRunners on occasion have a group also
http://www.roadrunnersrc.com/
If your willing to travel up the Golden State a bit north, NorCal Hobbies have a good group of 12th scale racers with a massive, smooth outdoor track.
http://www.norcal-hobbies.com/
Setup tips
carsrcracing.co.uk
Mark Payne's 1/12th Scale RC Notes
R/C Car Handling website; Everything you need to know about vehicle dynamics
CARSrcracing.co.uk; Starting 12th scale with L4 based cars
CARSrcracing.co.uk; More 12th scale articles
CompetitionX; RC Tuning Guide
12th Scale.info
Pod Droop vs Chassis Sag - Bruce Carbone -
Gear Rollout Chart
Setup Sheet Database
Setup & Build Tips by Andy Griffiths
Team Associated RC12R5 - Dennis King - Fast rules to setup your car
How to build a Ball DIfferential, by Dave Irrgang (IRS)
Petit RC: Technique Guide to all things RC
How To Solder Correctly
Quick Guide and 12th Scale Setup tips by Richard Chang
Xenon Rollout Sheet
12th Scale Forums
12th Scale Thread
Classic 12th scale
How to mount a 12th scale body
LRP-X 12 series timing info
Foam Tire Shore Ratings
Black - 40 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. Special tire for insane traction carpet tracks. Does not get gummy like Purple. If you don't have insane traction you car will likely push with these.
Purple - 40 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Popular front stock tire, carries good corner speed because it's firm. The foam this compound is made from gets more gummy late in a race. The more you run this compound the gummier and stickier it gets. A little more forgiving than some of the other fronts.
Lilac - 37 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Great front tire for stock carpet or if dbl. pink is too much steering.
Double Pink - 35 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. This is the standard front tire for carpet in all classes. Its is used front and rear for 19T and Mod carpet and front and rear in all classes on asphalt.
Grey - 35 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It is just as hard as dbl. pink but it has FAR LESS traction. It is used to free up the rear of stock powered carpet cars for more efficiency and corner speed. This is the old standard rear carpet tire, most stock carpet racers use the softer yellow compound now for more forward grip.
Magenta - 32 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Its softer than dbl pink so if you need more steering than dbl. pink use these up front. If you need more rear traction than dbl. pink use these in the rear.
Pink - 30 shore: Pink - 30 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. This tire is used in mod 1/12th on carpet and asphalt if the traction is low. If the traction is high it will lock in the rear of the car and make it push.
Orange - 30/35 shore: This is a rear tire with 2/3 yellow compound on the inside, 1/3 grey compound on the outside. This tire will free up the back of the car, also giving similar grip to yellow with added durability of a grey compound. Also known as Grey-Low
Yellow - 30 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It is the standard rear tire for Stock racing. It is used to free up the rear of stock powered carpet cars for more efficiency and corner speed.
White - 25 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It was the standard rear tire for 1/10th on road carpet racing. Its a little softer than yellow.
The main difference in the "Yellow" family and the "Pink" family of tires, is that the Yellow has a low rubber content and does not heat up as much and get gummy like the Pinks do.
If the track is greasy the Yellows are better, but the higher rubber content of the Pink family will generally have the most grip as long as they stay gum free.
Wheel spec chart (credit to kimihiko-yano.net)
And here is a an easy to use Tyre Truer-Adpater from the good folks at CRC
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultimate Tire Grinding Tool from C.Andy's RC Prototypes in Germany
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team Tamale Tire Truing Adapter
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, now this is the fun part, where you get to pick out your favorite new kit
Colors optional
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alien Racing
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team Associated RC12R5.2
Team AE Forum
Volker Worlds Setup Sheet
Howhart Worlds Setup Sheet
________________________________________________
BMI Racing Copperhead 12
BMI Forum
________________________________________________
CEFX Griffin 12 2011
CEFX Forum
________________________________________________
CORALLY 12SL
Corally Forum
________________________________________________
CRC Gen-Xti
CRC Xti Forum
________________________________________________
Kyosho Plazma 1/12th
Kyosho Forum
________________________________________________
LAJE Corner Thief 2012
________________________________________________
On-Point Racing.com
On-Point OP12C
On-Point Racing Forum
Upgrade parts list for 120L & 12r5
________________________________________________
SpeedMerchant Rev7
SpeedMerchant Forum
Peter Robinson Rev7 setups 2011 iic
________________________________________________
Serpent S120LT
Serpent Forum
________________________________________________
Tamiya RM-01
Tamiya RM-01 Forum
Setup Info
________________________________________________
T.O.P Rebel 12
Top Racing USA
Top Racing Forum
________________________________________________
V-Dezign CR-V
V-Dezign Forum
________________________________________________
XRAY XII
XRAY Forum
________________________________________________
Yokomo R12
Yokomo Forum
________________________________________________
Popular Electronics, Servos, Speed Controls, Accessories & Information for 1s Racing
TQ Racing Wire
Tekin RS/RS PRO on 1s Lipo Q&A
Tekin Team Driver Setups
________________________________________________
Boost=electronic timing advance, this is the most efficient way to drive a brushless motor, the timing is applied incrementally to keep peak performance from 0 rpm to max rev limit, the issue here is that a 17.5 motor for instance, is now as quick as a 13.5 motor for 1s, and more like a mild mod motor with 2s.
Timing= a mechanical adjustment to the endbell of a motor like in the brushed motors of days gone by. This method of timing advance will also increase performance to a point, but in doing so the motor will produce more heat, and reduce durability over time.
Blinky mode refers to no electronic timing advance.
Open esc = boosted, or modified.
________________________________________________
HobbyWing
Xerun 120A-1s
________________________________________________
LRP
SXX Comp VII
SXX Stock Spec VII
SXX TC Spec VII
________________________________________________
TEKIN
RS
RS-PRO
________________________________________________
TQ Cells - 1s Lipo Booster
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Novak 1S Lipo Booster
________________________________________________
Futaba
Digital Brushless
BLS 651
Digital
S9650
Analog
S9602
________________________________________________
JR
Z3650
________________________________________________
KO Propo
PDS-951
________________________________________________
A compiled list of information, and links to help guide you on your quest to build and race 12th scale.
If you live in So-Cal....
At the moment the only track with a regular showing of 12th scale racers is TQ Racing in Chino Hills
http://www.tqrcracing.com/
Camarillo RoadRunners on occasion have a group also
http://www.roadrunnersrc.com/
If your willing to travel up the Golden State a bit north, NorCal Hobbies have a good group of 12th scale racers with a massive, smooth outdoor track.
http://www.norcal-hobbies.com/
Setup tips
carsrcracing.co.uk
Mark Payne's 1/12th Scale RC Notes
R/C Car Handling website; Everything you need to know about vehicle dynamics
CARSrcracing.co.uk; Starting 12th scale with L4 based cars
CARSrcracing.co.uk; More 12th scale articles
CompetitionX; RC Tuning Guide
12th Scale.info
Pod Droop vs Chassis Sag - Bruce Carbone -
Gear Rollout Chart
Setup Sheet Database
Setup & Build Tips by Andy Griffiths
Team Associated RC12R5 - Dennis King - Fast rules to setup your car
How to build a Ball DIfferential, by Dave Irrgang (IRS)
Petit RC: Technique Guide to all things RC
How To Solder Correctly
Quick Guide and 12th Scale Setup tips by Richard Chang
Xenon Rollout Sheet
12th Scale Forums
12th Scale Thread
Classic 12th scale
How to mount a 12th scale body
LRP-X 12 series timing info
Foam Tire Shore Ratings
Black - 40 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. Special tire for insane traction carpet tracks. Does not get gummy like Purple. If you don't have insane traction you car will likely push with these.
Purple - 40 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Popular front stock tire, carries good corner speed because it's firm. The foam this compound is made from gets more gummy late in a race. The more you run this compound the gummier and stickier it gets. A little more forgiving than some of the other fronts.
Lilac - 37 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Great front tire for stock carpet or if dbl. pink is too much steering.
Double Pink - 35 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. This is the standard front tire for carpet in all classes. Its is used front and rear for 19T and Mod carpet and front and rear in all classes on asphalt.
Grey - 35 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It is just as hard as dbl. pink but it has FAR LESS traction. It is used to free up the rear of stock powered carpet cars for more efficiency and corner speed. This is the old standard rear carpet tire, most stock carpet racers use the softer yellow compound now for more forward grip.
Magenta - 32 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. Its softer than dbl pink so if you need more steering than dbl. pink use these up front. If you need more rear traction than dbl. pink use these in the rear.
Pink - 30 shore: Pink - 30 shore: This is a natural rubber compound. This tire is used in mod 1/12th on carpet and asphalt if the traction is low. If the traction is high it will lock in the rear of the car and make it push.
Orange - 30/35 shore: This is a rear tire with 2/3 yellow compound on the inside, 1/3 grey compound on the outside. This tire will free up the back of the car, also giving similar grip to yellow with added durability of a grey compound. Also known as Grey-Low
Yellow - 30 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It is the standard rear tire for Stock racing. It is used to free up the rear of stock powered carpet cars for more efficiency and corner speed.
White - 25 shore: This is a low natural rubber compound. It was the standard rear tire for 1/10th on road carpet racing. Its a little softer than yellow.
The main difference in the "Yellow" family and the "Pink" family of tires, is that the Yellow has a low rubber content and does not heat up as much and get gummy like the Pinks do.
If the track is greasy the Yellows are better, but the higher rubber content of the Pink family will generally have the most grip as long as they stay gum free.
Wheel spec chart (credit to kimihiko-yano.net)
And here is a an easy to use Tyre Truer-Adpater from the good folks at CRC
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultimate Tire Grinding Tool from C.Andy's RC Prototypes in Germany
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team Tamale Tire Truing Adapter
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, now this is the fun part, where you get to pick out your favorite new kit
Colors optional
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alien Racing
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team Associated RC12R5.2
Team AE Forum
Volker Worlds Setup Sheet
Howhart Worlds Setup Sheet
________________________________________________
BMI Racing Copperhead 12
BMI Forum
________________________________________________
CEFX Griffin 12 2011
CEFX Forum
________________________________________________
CORALLY 12SL
Corally Forum
________________________________________________
CRC Gen-Xti
CRC Xti Forum
________________________________________________
Kyosho Plazma 1/12th
Kyosho Forum
________________________________________________
LAJE Corner Thief 2012
________________________________________________
On-Point Racing.com
On-Point OP12C
On-Point Racing Forum
Upgrade parts list for 120L & 12r5
________________________________________________
SpeedMerchant Rev7
SpeedMerchant Forum
Peter Robinson Rev7 setups 2011 iic
________________________________________________
Serpent S120LT
Serpent Forum
________________________________________________
Tamiya RM-01
Tamiya RM-01 Forum
Setup Info
________________________________________________
T.O.P Rebel 12
Top Racing USA
Top Racing Forum
________________________________________________
V-Dezign CR-V
V-Dezign Forum
________________________________________________
XRAY XII
XRAY Forum
________________________________________________
Yokomo R12
Yokomo Forum
________________________________________________
Popular Electronics, Servos, Speed Controls, Accessories & Information for 1s Racing
TQ Racing Wire
Tekin RS/RS PRO on 1s Lipo Q&A
Tekin Team Driver Setups
________________________________________________
Boost=electronic timing advance, this is the most efficient way to drive a brushless motor, the timing is applied incrementally to keep peak performance from 0 rpm to max rev limit, the issue here is that a 17.5 motor for instance, is now as quick as a 13.5 motor for 1s, and more like a mild mod motor with 2s.
Timing= a mechanical adjustment to the endbell of a motor like in the brushed motors of days gone by. This method of timing advance will also increase performance to a point, but in doing so the motor will produce more heat, and reduce durability over time.
Blinky mode refers to no electronic timing advance.
Open esc = boosted, or modified.
________________________________________________
HobbyWing
Xerun 120A-1s
________________________________________________
LRP
SXX Comp VII
SXX Stock Spec VII
SXX TC Spec VII
________________________________________________
TEKIN
RS
RS-PRO
________________________________________________
TQ Cells - 1s Lipo Booster
Novak 1S Lipo Booster
________________________________________________
Futaba
Digital Brushless
BLS 651
Digital
S9650
Analog
S9602
________________________________________________
JR
Z3650
________________________________________________
KO Propo
PDS-951
________________________________________________
Last edited by bhambrent; 10-13-2012 at 09:57 AM.
When I started looking in to 12th scale, I found this post in the 12th scale forum. It helped me out a lot
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