65LikesHandout Motors?..2018?
08-12-2017, 01:53 PM
#107
I'm not understanding something.
You call handout motor a motor someone mandated (I'm following), that you have to buy to run that class(I'm lost) and keep it afterwards(verily lost).
Then if my understanding is right, you bought a disposable motor not a handout motor.
I thought a handout motor was something the track loans and you pay a fee or something and then return at the end of the event. That way the race director only has to have enough motors to fill the main(s) at designated handout classes, for example 10 motors for a full TC main then those motors are returned at the end of the main to be loaned to the next handout main while Mod or other non handout class is racing their main.
You call handout motor a motor someone mandated (I'm following), that you have to buy to run that class(I'm lost) and keep it afterwards(verily lost).
Then if my understanding is right, you bought a disposable motor not a handout motor.
I thought a handout motor was something the track loans and you pay a fee or something and then return at the end of the event. That way the race director only has to have enough motors to fill the main(s) at designated handout classes, for example 10 motors for a full TC main then those motors are returned at the end of the main to be loaned to the next handout main while Mod or other non handout class is racing their main.
08-12-2017, 02:07 PM
#108
With most systems you buy a motor with payning the organisation like the ROAR the determed price, the motors are marked with your name or number. They provide you the motor in the morning and you return it at the end of the day. Until the next race the motors are cheacked (should be) and the next race you will get it again. At the end of the season with the last race you can keep the motor. The organisation also has some spares in case of extra single event drivers and faulty motors.
08-12-2017, 03:53 PM
#109
With ETS I am not sure, I have heard stories about people changing motors several times as they did not comply with the wanted specs but that was with the crappy SP motors.
Over here with club and national racing we did get our own motor.
Over here with club and national racing we did get our own motor.
08-12-2017, 04:36 PM
#110
(Sorry, could not resist, after reading the "livery" comment somewhere else earlier.)
08-12-2017, 05:29 PM
#112
It's all this kind of garbage that makes me glad I don't go to big races.
08-12-2017, 05:30 PM
#113
Tech Initiate
It seems with any group activity several things are going on here.
One, that cost or complexity is being considered as important.
Two, that fairness or the motor heavily determines the outcome.
What if a manufacturer hands out their $100+ motor at events for $40. You have to compete in the event to get that price(adds value to the event). Its only that class that the motor is used for and doesn't necessarily hurt their sales elsewhere. Other sports do similar things, such as offer unattainable prices on superior products limited to the participation of the event only. Creates a better experience overall. The experience matters more than the cost. Its not a paperweight when you take it home. Even if you sell it as "one race only" the net loss for the manufacturer is minimal. Perhaps its almost as good as their good motor. Maybe the last gen motor, so reasonably competitive at the club level.
There are always going to be those that tire of chasing the best next thing. They want to just go, be reasonably competitive and have a good time. Certainly not all classes should have hand outs, but if certain classes are heavily regulated, but don't remove the individuality of picking your own motor, while others are hand outs and others still are anything goes, so long as each group of racers are able to find their niche, participation will be good. Access counts more than anything else. How accessible is our sport?
One, that cost or complexity is being considered as important.
Two, that fairness or the motor heavily determines the outcome.
What if a manufacturer hands out their $100+ motor at events for $40. You have to compete in the event to get that price(adds value to the event). Its only that class that the motor is used for and doesn't necessarily hurt their sales elsewhere. Other sports do similar things, such as offer unattainable prices on superior products limited to the participation of the event only. Creates a better experience overall. The experience matters more than the cost. Its not a paperweight when you take it home. Even if you sell it as "one race only" the net loss for the manufacturer is minimal. Perhaps its almost as good as their good motor. Maybe the last gen motor, so reasonably competitive at the club level.
There are always going to be those that tire of chasing the best next thing. They want to just go, be reasonably competitive and have a good time. Certainly not all classes should have hand outs, but if certain classes are heavily regulated, but don't remove the individuality of picking your own motor, while others are hand outs and others still are anything goes, so long as each group of racers are able to find their niche, participation will be good. Access counts more than anything else. How accessible is our sport?
08-12-2017, 09:06 PM
#114
IMHO, I kind of like having choices. When there is parity or competition between motor companies, manufacturers have incentives to make better products. I think the faster guys are still going to be fast no matter what motor is dished out. What happens next? Look at what is happening in Europe. Not only do they use hand out motors in most cases, they also use hand out ESC's. Then you're spending even more to race.
Last edited by bertottius; 08-14-2017 at 11:55 AM.
08-13-2017, 08:26 AM
#115
Tech Master
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I will make a comment totally off the wall.
Wouldn't it be great if the powers to be that run the four majors could get together on this subject. Select handout classes and 17.5, 21.5 and 25.5 classes would be a great start. Select a handout pool of motors for the year for those classes. The motors would be bid by the manufacturers for fame and glory. First event entered you pay a fee for the motor use and that decreases at each event you attend in the class. The cost/profit for the motors gets divided based on usage between the promoters with a formula to be determined. This would be the hardest part as the attendance varies with each event. The idea is to keep the cost down for the racer since that has been a major comment here.
Getting the program directors to get together would be the first major hurdle. I personally think it would be great for the hobby. Maybe next year.
Wouldn't it be great if the powers to be that run the four majors could get together on this subject. Select handout classes and 17.5, 21.5 and 25.5 classes would be a great start. Select a handout pool of motors for the year for those classes. The motors would be bid by the manufacturers for fame and glory. First event entered you pay a fee for the motor use and that decreases at each event you attend in the class. The cost/profit for the motors gets divided based on usage between the promoters with a formula to be determined. This would be the hardest part as the attendance varies with each event. The idea is to keep the cost down for the racer since that has been a major comment here.
Getting the program directors to get together would be the first major hurdle. I personally think it would be great for the hobby. Maybe next year.
08-14-2017, 08:48 AM
#116
IMHO, I kind of like having choices. When there is parody or competition between motor companies, manufacturers have incentives to make better products. I think the faster guys are still going to be fast no matter what motor is dished out. What happens next? Look at what is happening in Europe. Not only do they use hand out motors in most cases, they also use hand out ESC's. Then you're spending even more to race.
Parody is making a joke out of something....
08-14-2017, 10:00 AM
#117
In Europe we do not use handout ESC's (not that I know off) but in many stock competitiones we alow just one or 2 listed ESC's and in other competitions blinky.
But it seems there are 2 groups thinking different about a stock/spec class
1) get as an equal possible powerplant and make the most out of te car setup and driving
2) get a motor within the rules like a 17.5 turns and try to let it run as "a 3.5 turns" with all possible options and tweaks within (or outside) the rules.
Handout is all about group 1 and most here I think are within group 2. I am pretty sure when all your 17.5/21.5/25.5 classes were started they all had the idea to comply with group 1 but due the more open rules group 2 drivers were formed.
Sorry to say, group 2 is all about:
But it seems there are 2 groups thinking different about a stock/spec class
1) get as an equal possible powerplant and make the most out of te car setup and driving
2) get a motor within the rules like a 17.5 turns and try to let it run as "a 3.5 turns" with all possible options and tweaks within (or outside) the rules.
Handout is all about group 1 and most here I think are within group 2. I am pretty sure when all your 17.5/21.5/25.5 classes were started they all had the idea to comply with group 1 but due the more open rules group 2 drivers were formed.
Sorry to say, group 2 is all about:
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08-17-2017, 04:45 AM
#120
Tech Adept
In Europe we do not use handout ESC's (not that I know off) but in many stock competitiones we alow just one or 2 listed ESC's and in other competitions blinky.
But it seems there are 2 groups thinking different about a stock/spec class
1) get as an equal possible powerplant and make the most out of te car setup and driving
2) get a motor within the rules like a 17.5 turns and try to let it run as "a 3.5 turns" with all possible options and tweaks within (or outside) the rules.
Handout is all about group 1 and most here I think are within group 2. I am pretty sure when all your 17.5/21.5/25.5 classes were started they all had the idea to comply with group 1 but due the more open rules group 2 drivers were formed.
Sorry to say, group 2 is all about:
But it seems there are 2 groups thinking different about a stock/spec class
1) get as an equal possible powerplant and make the most out of te car setup and driving
2) get a motor within the rules like a 17.5 turns and try to let it run as "a 3.5 turns" with all possible options and tweaks within (or outside) the rules.
Handout is all about group 1 and most here I think are within group 2. I am pretty sure when all your 17.5/21.5/25.5 classes were started they all had the idea to comply with group 1 but due the more open rules group 2 drivers were formed.
Sorry to say, group 2 is all about:
However it can be clearly seen that motor does not give you a winning place as the drivers with the same motors score different places and winner is not always a driver with the newest motor/chassis.
I would say that only those who put max effort (whatever terms - time, money) have a chance to win and that's obvious - track time and talent cannot be bought.
