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Old 07-05-2017, 07:31 PM   #16
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BT-4 AAR in stock at Hobby King US warehouse for $208.34 plus shipping.
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/basher-b...___store=en_us
That's the 13.5 model. Would need to change motor for USGT.
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Great deal from a local racer here in Arizona. On the Arizona Scale Racer Facebook page:

"2 VBC D06 Wildfire touring cars for sale. Both cars need front body post. Overall both cars are in good condition. Asking $150 for both pick up at ASR. Both will come with a speedpassion 17.5 motor. For more pictures or any questions please contact Jamie Smith. Thanks!"
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2013 TC6.1 or 2014 XRay T4?

Found both used, both look to be in great shape and within the price I'm willing to spend. Thoughts?
A friend of mine has a T4 2014 and is a very competitive racer. Durable...... Great resale value, but I do not think the avg. club racer will be faster with a newer version....Most parts are compatible with newer versions....
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BT-4 AAR in stock at Hobby King US warehouse for $208.34 plus shipping.
https://hobbyking.com/en_us/basher-b...___store=en_us
That's a great deal. The motor is the only issue since you will have to buy a 21.5 for usgt but otherwise that is fantastic.
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Chassis is now sorted--bought a used XRay T4 from a user here on RCTech.

That being done, talk to me now about motors/ESCs. Scirocco has almost convinced me to go the VTA route, so I'd like to hear recommendations for both. What's the go-to VTA and USGT motor/esc combo? I'm really happy with my Hobbywing ESC in my Tekno buggy. Are Hobbywing motors/ESCs allowed and/or competitive in either class?
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I run hobbywing period, justock for VTA, I run at Easley as well. Motor is your choice. I have Trinity and Fantom
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Hobbywing was option for where I'm running. Most are using Speed Passion systems. I'm using Trackstar that came with the BT-4.
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Chassis is now sorted--bought a used XRay T4 from a user here on RCTech.

That being done, talk to me now about motors/ESCs. Scirocco has almost convinced me to go the VTA route, so I'd like to hear recommendations for both. What's the go-to VTA and USGT motor/esc combo? I'm really happy with my Hobbywing ESC in my Tekno buggy. Are Hobbywing motors/ESCs allowed and/or competitive in either class?
I personally really like USGT because of the tires and bodies.

The bodies are a big thing for me, as the american muscle cars just look funny, and un-inspiring ( JMO )

Seeing some NSX's, Audi and Skylines running around the track gives me that old school RC feel and is a ton of fun. USGT are much faster than the VTA class, but not so fast you are killing your equipment.

Both are similar, but USGT is faster and more fun for me.
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I personally really like USGT because of the tires and bodies.

The bodies are a big thing for me, as the american muscle cars just look funny, and un-inspiring ( JMO )

Seeing some NSX's, Audi and Skylines running around the track gives me that old school RC feel and is a ton of fun. USGT are much faster than the VTA class, but not so fast you are killing your equipment.

Both are similar, but USGT is faster and more fun for me.
I'm totally with you on the bodies, that was the biggest turn off for VTA as well. I've just never been a huge classic muscle car kind of guy (don't kill me everyone!). But being new to on-road, the slower speeds and more spec nature of VTA seem appealing.

If it's not clear, I'm pretty torn, lol!
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Hobbywing has some excellent ESC for stock racing. Motors, it depend on your favor. I have a Fantom and a Hobbywing and they both are a very good.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:32 AM   #26
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Stig, I do not consider the VTA class to be slow. Although the motor have less rpm, I still see VTA cars putting down the same lap time as the USGT, 17.5TC depending on the track layout.
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I suggest going USGT instead of VTA. VTA is REALLY slow. While it can be fun, it can also be really boring. To me VTA is for kids that are just starting and have like no hand eye coordination.
Here are some economical choices that will get you started.
Motor: Trakstar 21.5T V2
ESC: Hobbywing XERUN XR10 Justock
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Stig, make the trip to Easley on the 15th with what you have purchased to at least shake it down or failing that to get it front of the group for evaluation and guidance. Take a turn in the Scirocco VTA loaner and figure out what you want to do next..

Track length makes a difference in the speed sensation so it makes it more difficult to determine what is really slow or just seems to be. At any rate the difference between the two classes is a set of tires(both spec) a motor(again spec) and a body(once again spec). The jump between USGT and VTA isn't a long one. For good old fashioned door to door action it is hard to beat either class for reasonably priced competition with like minded racers that aren't interested in "nose bleed" speeds in order to call it fun.

For an ESC the Justock EX10 is tough to beat in price and performance while the old Novak 25.5 can still provide adequate performance in VTA for not much money. I have four of them and didn't pay more than $40 for any of them. I do have a current Motiv and a Maclan 25.5 but since nobody is driving off on me on the straight parts it tells me I need to get better on the twisty bits.
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At our outdoor "Roval" (Road course & oval combo), the USGT and the USVTA lap times are less than 1 second apart, on a 12-13 second lap. So I wouldn't say the USVTA cars are "REALLY SLOW".

Either class would be a good choice, IMHO. If it's someone's first foray into on-road, USVTA would be a lot less intimidating. Some of the guys I race with are top 10 (and top 3) qualifiers at races like the Southern Nats in USGT and USVTA. So no slouches here.

Whatever Stig's choice, we'll make sure he has fun!

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Why dont you race Mod , USGT is REALLY SLOW, They have those THIN tires that remind me of TRICICLE TIRES. ..........Just Kidding . Run Whatever VTA or GT. It is the same group of people running both Classes where i race. The VTA motors are more Spec then GT.
GT motors being pushed to faster limits every 6 months now ( meaning $90-150 every 6 months to Compete)
The GT tires are Cheaper (about $25 . VTA we will see what the new ones will cost soon)
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