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#482
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#483
Ha.
Someone told you so a month ago.
Looks like "end of July" means "end of August", right?
I would say the delay gives even more support to my theory above. I am more inclined to believe my own guess that Mugen waited to see the pre orders before actually manufacturing anything, hence the delay.
Even then, I would say that if be the end of September all orders are not filled and there is relatively healthy stock on the shelves, then they have some problems, either with manufacturing or suppliers, or more serious (think cash).
If we take into account that Pietsch has been competing all over Europe over summer (and there's still some left), I would also guess he didn't have much time to promote the car or develop. Either way, don't expect last minute changes in the chassis (which if the car is already in production somewhere, would be a costly and time consuming exercise). If the delay extends past September, that means they might have serious problems. By that I mean serious enough that it could lead to shelving the whole project.
Someone told you so a month ago.
Looks like "end of July" means "end of August", right?
I would be surprised if it hits the shelves before September.
Like I said before, now they are probably looking at pre-orders to gauge how many units will be sold on release day and will probably take it form there.
I have to say however, they don't look like they are stirring interest much (look at Xay/Tamiya, etc). Who knows why that is? Budget? Marketing? Projections? Whatever.
My gut feeling is the car won't be a big seller (for whatever reason), or at the very least not something that one would go totally balls out on and I think they have demonstrated that they don't bank on it (modest hype/advertising/marketing/etc). By now, Tamiya or Xray would have already spent millions on promotion. Doesn't look like Mugen did.
Like I said before, now they are probably looking at pre-orders to gauge how many units will be sold on release day and will probably take it form there.
I have to say however, they don't look like they are stirring interest much (look at Xay/Tamiya, etc). Who knows why that is? Budget? Marketing? Projections? Whatever.
My gut feeling is the car won't be a big seller (for whatever reason), or at the very least not something that one would go totally balls out on and I think they have demonstrated that they don't bank on it (modest hype/advertising/marketing/etc). By now, Tamiya or Xray would have already spent millions on promotion. Doesn't look like Mugen did.
Even then, I would say that if be the end of September all orders are not filled and there is relatively healthy stock on the shelves, then they have some problems, either with manufacturing or suppliers, or more serious (think cash).
If we take into account that Pietsch has been competing all over Europe over summer (and there's still some left), I would also guess he didn't have much time to promote the car or develop. Either way, don't expect last minute changes in the chassis (which if the car is already in production somewhere, would be a costly and time consuming exercise). If the delay extends past September, that means they might have serious problems. By that I mean serious enough that it could lead to shelving the whole project.
Last edited by niznai; 08-23-2017 at 04:04 AM.
#484
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You theorize the entire product lifecycle geez. Why not PM that stuff to yourself or self quote to yourself via pm? Speculation is not
real interesting or focused on the chassis and it's performance. Either is watching a self-licking ice cream cone pat itself on the back.
real interesting or focused on the chassis and it's performance. Either is watching a self-licking ice cream cone pat itself on the back.
#485
You theorize the entire product lifecycle geez. Why not PM that stuff to yourself or self quote to yourself via pm? Speculation is not
real interesting or focused on the chassis and it's performance. Either is watching a self-licking ice cream cone pat itself on the back.
real interesting or focused on the chassis and it's performance. Either is watching a self-licking ice cream cone pat itself on the back.
Just sayin'.
And in case you care, the whole thread is only speculation but until now, mine is the only one that proved right.
What have you got?
#486
While Xray seems to wok on more shorter shocks to lower the (non noticeable) CG on the 2018 T4, the front design of the Mugen with a "heavy" upper A-arm can scare people off due the fantastic commercial stories of Hudy about a low CG.
Just running the car by Pietch and made the A-final is already a huge advertisement, what could have happened if a guy like Groskamp had the car.....
So getting the car on the market before the winter could be a right choise to be ahead of all others who want to show new stuff on or at a same time as the Neurnberg toyfair as also most gas drivers will do electric in the winter.
So people have the time to test this car and make a choice next March to stay with it or follow their favorite brand.
Just running the car by Pietch and made the A-final is already a huge advertisement, what could have happened if a guy like Groskamp had the car.....
So getting the car on the market before the winter could be a right choise to be ahead of all others who want to show new stuff on or at a same time as the Neurnberg toyfair as also most gas drivers will do electric in the winter.
So people have the time to test this car and make a choice next March to stay with it or follow their favorite brand.
#487
While Xray seems to wok on more shorter shocks to lower the (non noticeable) CG on the 2018 T4, the front design of the Mugen with a "heavy" upper A-arm can scare people off due the fantastic commercial stories of Hudy about a low CG.
Just running the car by Pietch and made the A-final is already a huge advertisement, what could have happened if a guy like Groskamp had the car.....
So getting the car on the market before the winter could be a right choise to be ahead of all others who want to show new stuff on or at a same time as the Neurnberg toyfair as also most gas drivers will do electric in the winter.
So people have the time to test this car and make a choice next March to stay with it or follow their favorite brand.
Just running the car by Pietch and made the A-final is already a huge advertisement, what could have happened if a guy like Groskamp had the car.....
So getting the car on the market before the winter could be a right choise to be ahead of all others who want to show new stuff on or at a same time as the Neurnberg toyfair as also most gas drivers will do electric in the winter.
So people have the time to test this car and make a choice next March to stay with it or follow their favorite brand.
#488
Tech Elite
iTrader: (1)
Lower CG is always good, the suspension has to be tuned to the new requirements or else you end up worse if you don't now what you doing (yokomo bd7'16 anyone?)
Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix? If not they have to avoid getting a stale design, because Xray is always going forward, so what do they change? This is where mugen can and should praise it's design choices and put other manufacturers in check, the arm provides far better wheel alignment control, durability, etc...
Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix? If not they have to avoid getting a stale design, because Xray is always going forward, so what do they change? This is where mugen can and should praise it's design choices and put other manufacturers in check, the arm provides far better wheel alignment control, durability, etc...
#489
Tech Elite
I see things are back to normal around here.
#491
Lower CG is always good, the suspension has to be tuned to the new requirements or else you end up worse if you don't now what you doing (yokomo bd7'16 anyone?)
Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix? If not they have to avoid getting a stale design, because Xray is always going forward, so what do they change? This is where mugen can and should praise it's design choices and put other manufacturers in check, the arm provides far better wheel alignment control, durability, etc...
Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix? If not they have to avoid getting a stale design, because Xray is always going forward, so what do they change? This is where mugen can and should praise it's design choices and put other manufacturers in check, the arm provides far better wheel alignment control, durability, etc...
#493
Lower CG is always good, the suspension has to be tuned to the new requirements or else you end up worse if you don't now what you doing (yokomo bd7'16 anyone?)
Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix?
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Xray is between a rock and a hard place. If they go extra low shocks and praising the lower CG what stops me to go full lower CG and get an Awesomatix?
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Awesomatix also lost its attractiveness for their originality when they gave it up for functionality.
I would be interested to see some figures, but I don't think Awesomatix have made a dent in Xray sales hence I don't think they see it as a competitor.
#494
Tech Champion
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Price for one, distribution for another.
Awesomatix also lost its attractiveness for their originality when they gave it up for functionality.
I would be interested to see some figures, but I don't think Awesomatix have made a dent in Xray sales hence I don't think they see it as a competitor.
Awesomatix also lost its attractiveness for their originality when they gave it up for functionality.
I would be interested to see some figures, but I don't think Awesomatix have made a dent in Xray sales hence I don't think they see it as a competitor.
#495
I do believe a shorter shock can make a difference in feeling but not because the lower CG. Xray did make the mistake on the RX8 I believe the 2013 model which did not help to make the car better so new longers shocks were designed for the next year model
In the 1/8 onroad racing we do see more and more lower CG placed cooling heads giving temperature issues so from time to time you see drivers replacing the head by a normal higher version w/o needing to change the setup because the higer CG. And then we are talking about a 10 gram high in the sky and not a 5 gram already arround roll center.
But I trully believe most of these yearly changes and all the technical bullsh*t stories are not to make the car better for more than 90% of the drivers who can not make an advantage out of it but more to give a reason to them to buy the new car anyway.
Mugen on the other hand dares to do 3 years with a car with only some options in that period. And if possible the next car is based on the same platform so only an upgrade kit is needed.
In the 1/8 onroad racing we do see more and more lower CG placed cooling heads giving temperature issues so from time to time you see drivers replacing the head by a normal higher version w/o needing to change the setup because the higer CG. And then we are talking about a 10 gram high in the sky and not a 5 gram already arround roll center.
But I trully believe most of these yearly changes and all the technical bullsh*t stories are not to make the car better for more than 90% of the drivers who can not make an advantage out of it but more to give a reason to them to buy the new car anyway.
Mugen on the other hand dares to do 3 years with a car with only some options in that period. And if possible the next car is based on the same platform so only an upgrade kit is needed.