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Old 04-06-2017, 09:17 AM   #31
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My radical idea is to have race using touring cars with ROAR rules. Everyone signs up, gets placed in a heat, and you are racing. The fast guys will go faster and the slow guys will go slower. And it is up to you to figure out the best way for you to go your fastest.
Well...that's just crazy talk. Racers racing???
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My radical idea is to have race using touring cars with ROAR rules. Everyone signs up, gets placed in a heat, and you are racing. The fast guys will go faster and the slow guys will go slower. And it is up to you to figure out the best way for you to go your fastest.
Exactly. One class. Run as much motor as your thumbs (or trigger finger if you're that way inclined!) can handle.

Unfortunately it doesn't work. Most people are scared of mod/open racing as they think they have to run a 4.5t. Go look at the cars in the bottom heat, even the ones crashing every other corner and going 3 laps slower than the stock racers, and they'll still have a 4.5 in. On-road racers are totally unable to self-regulate.

So we add in a single stock class like at ETS, then we've got something for everyone and a successful series.

What we don't need are 5 different ways of going slowly.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:13 AM   #33
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Hearing the truth hurts many guys. We are human we are all the same. The other guy must have won because of the stronger motor. Not because he is better
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hmm lets bring mod/foam TC back
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Unfortunately it doesn't work. Most people are scared of mod/open racing as they think they have to run a 4.5t. Go look at the cars in the bottom heat, even the ones crashing every other corner and going 3 laps slower than the stock racers, and they'll still have a 4.5 in. On-road racers are totally unable to self-regulate.
That is why it is a "radical" idea.
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Hearing the truth hurts many guys. We are human we are all the same. The other guy must have won because of the stronger motor. Not because he is better
Everyone who beats me is better than me... heck, there's even a few that I can beat (once in a while) that are better than me.
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You don't?
Nope. Not everyone stocks up on motors for a class they don't run. And you're kidding yourself if you think newer guys would be willing to buy 3 separate motors.
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If you want to restore balance between racers despite the fact that motor power differs, there are some possible ways:
- Weight (can be an advandage on low grip)
- Voltage (but how to force drivers to use life lol)
- Ratio (should work on 21.5-25.5, but 13.5-25.5 is not possible)
- Traction (yup why is everybody avoiding this point?)

Traction is the only way you can limit the cars on the track equally. If you consider using hard tyres, or (OMG I will say it) forbid the sauce, you can totally control the power the car is able to use to go forward. Putting a 4.5T in a car with 40R tyres and no sauce would be totally useless, as the car won't be able to use the power.

It would mean that to optimize your traction you will have (OMG I will say it) to setup your car instead of changing the sauce...

At the end you will probably end with an hybrid solution, with reasonable power, like 13.5 boosted, allowing rookie to use a little bit of boost and pros to use the full power of boost and turbo, with a single tire, no cleaner, no conditioner, nothing. From there, you can consider propose multiple ranking lists, everybody running in the same conditions, but with different skills. A such concept will also make everybody progress, because rookies can compare their skills, use experience, feed-backs, and because also the budget remain reasonable and they can invest into tyres, oils, bodies, etc.

I have a last question on my own. We are using this method for years now in my club and we have plenty of happy racers. Why is it so unpopular in the rest of the world?
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Let me answer your question with a little joke.

Describe the day at the club with four words:
"Planet of the Apes."
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Perfect if you want to run any blinky class .

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[QUOTE=gigaplex;14892117]So now everyone is expected to own 3 different motors?[/QUOTE

A lot of the top drivers in a club is already running in two of the three classes already. So what is the problem?
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So now everyone is expected to own 3 different motors?
A lot of the top drivers in a club is already running in two of the three classes already. So what is the problem?
We're trying to increase participation of new drivers and maintain membership of everyone else. If you're only catering for the top drivers then we're back where we started.
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We're trying to increase participation of new drivers and maintain membership of everyone else. If you're only catering for the top drivers then we're back where we started.
If the goal is to truly bring in new drivers, a new class is not the answer. You need to focus on just getting them to to track to just drive. Or bring the track out to the public.
The average person buying RC today know nothing of RC racing. It's not what they've been exposed to. More now see their first RC in a " Dude Perfect" YouTube video.
What about a time trial class? Works for the real cars at track days. How many of us spent hours playing Grand Turismo trying to set lap times.
It took me 6 years to even try a race. This year giving 2 class a shot.
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