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Old 04-10-2017, 12:32 PM   #151
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Stock is not spec is not stock. Call whatever the feel good flowery class is that you want.
Perhaps the "I love me and so do you so we all win utopian bs" class. But don't call it spec or stock because it isn't either.

Don't call it racing either. Call it catering to the lowest common denominator. Also known as communism or socialism. Have fun with it. Out.
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Stock is not spec is not stock. Call whatever the feel good flowery class is that you want.
Perhaps the "I love me and so do you so we all win utopian bs" class. But don't call it spec or stock because it isn't either.

Don't call it racing either. Call it catering to the lowest common denominator. Also known as communism or socialism. Have fun with it. Out.
I bet you are a blast at parties.....
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And today we are running them on motor analyzers, playing with timing, changing the gearing, and buying over voltage batteries.

Man it is the same, don't try to act like it isn't.

Only difference was the 27 turn motors were only $50 and brushes were $7 to $10 a set.
I still prefer brushless any day than brush motor..
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I still prefer brushless any day than brush motor..
True, but man those brushed motors had a great feel to them....
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And today we are running them on motor analyzers, playing with timing, changing the gearing, and buying over voltage batteries.

Man it is the same, don't try to act like it isn't.

Only difference was the 27 turn motors were only $50 and brushes were $7 to $10 a set.
Comm truing, comm drops, worn brushes, just about every part of those motors were a consumable. The TCO was much higher. Brushless motor analysers aren't essential, and aren't consumable so once you have it that's it. It's also practical to borrow an analyser if you can't afford it. Adjusting timing and gearing is essentially free (did you not adjust gearing back in the brushed era?). You're kidding yourself if you think they're even comparable.
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Stock is not spec is not stock. Call whatever the feel good flowery class is that you want.
Perhaps the "I love me and so do you so we all win utopian bs" class. But don't call it spec or stock because it isn't either.

Don't call it racing either. Call it catering to the lowest common denominator. Also known as communism or socialism. Have fun with it. Out.
Like Capitalism has been great for racing.....
I know that Stock is not Spec but there is a need for it . Spec classes Could bring new people and families into racing.
We need to have a form of cost controlled racing if Onroad is to survive. And to those who say VTA is that class it costs just as much as USGT or 17.5 TC
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Old 04-10-2017, 04:46 PM   #157
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You guys are killing me with this stuff....

I'm still not connecting the dots on why some of you think you're on such a tight budget that a $95 version of the latest TSR is too expensive. So take 21.5 for example - if you already have a Reedy M3, previous Trinity versions, an MC1 or similar, those motors cost you $90. So, please explain to me how a $95 TSR is something killing these lower classes? For the love of all things holy, a trip through McDonalds drive-thru cost you more than the $5 difference. How many times do I have to post this? I just finished 3rd in the ROAR Region 4 race held this past weekend in the optional 21.5 class.....with a $95 TSR. Set-up was off a touch and the driver was off a touch. So, it was me that was off, not the motor which cost me $5 more than my previous Reedy. So, stop already.....

For those of you that think mod is so much cheaper, especially someone trying to convince me that they've used the same ONE motor for two or 3 seasons, you must race on the exact same track every time out or at least tracks that are extremely similar size, shape, and configuration. so, if this is your scenario, please understand your scenario is for you and doesn't apply to all.

I watched a former ROAR National champ pitting right next to go through several motors this weekend alone. Then he had to try several different winds as well. I watched thermal shut-downs and numerous cars break. These were some of the best guys in Florida, these were not your average racers for the most part. We all know that cars break in mod - period. Lots of cars that start race certainly don't finish the race.

This weekend we had extremely high traction, hot outdoor temps (which only get worse June - Aug), and a very large track. So, if you believe that you're gonna pull out you're 2 seasons old mod motor and run against some of the newer stuff....ah, good luck here in Florida. When you find out you're a touch underpowered, guess what you're gonna have to pull out another wind....oh, wait, that's right you don't have one. So, please stop trying to sell that fact that mod doesn't break cars WAY more often than anything else and that many racers simply just don't finish their heats or that top level, well traveled and experienced mod racers don't have numerous winds in their pit boxes in order to be prepared depending on where they're racing on that given day. This argument doesn't hold water against the motor cost of 17.5 or 21.5 motor cost. Once you buy a $95 TSR there is nothing else to buy. If you can't get it done with that, you're out of excuses. You're out of reasons to cry for a spec motor. Fact is, you were probably never in the hunt before the expensive $95 motor and you probably won't be after you buy it.

Racing isn't cheap. Racing isn't for everyone. If it's too expensive, then you probably shouldn't be doing it anyhow. Enjoy it at the hobby level. Oh, and if you think 25.5 is answer because the IR is in place, then go give it a shot but first, if you've got an old version of a 25.5 including a Novak, it probably isn't legal. In addition, the Motiv and TSR seemed to be the preferred, so get ready to possibly buy another motor if you don't have one of these too in this class. BTW, I did win the Regionals in VTA using a TSR 25.5. So, I'm speaking from experience.

Can you get back to threads that don't sweat $5 motor for the newest motor or threads that don't try to convince me that mod racing is so much cheaper.
Is this a Team Scream infomercial or what? haha

Ok Scott 5 entries in a Regional VTA Race is not something I'd brag about too loudly LOL, my car straight up sucked hahah

In 21.5 My Fantom motor had you covered in the qualifiers and I was undergeared as well and I gave you that gift of a third position in A3 just remember that

The person you talked about who was smoking mod motors was running wayyyy too much timing on his motor, because I too was pitting across from a National Champion telling him what he was doing wrong.

BTW if money ain't a thang don't try to lowball entry fees to a Regional Race ya cheap azz

Mod seems hella fun but you need a really good esc and have to know how to program your shit or you will blow it up gua-ran-teed. It's Completely different driving style as well.

We actually had this discussion in the pits and concluded that mod is indeed cheaper in the bigger picture. but if people only bought 1 motor sales would decline so they bait us with this 'stock' stuff so we spend the money on the latest n greatest battery, esc, motor, bla bla bla to be the most competitive.

Mod is cheaper you don't need the best battery, even a tired 4.5 mod motor is still fast, mod is all about controlling that insane power with the turbo and boost. Dave V gave his 2 year old motor to another racer Brian and he was still plenty fast.

Most of the guys I race with are sponsored and have plenty of extra motors, escs, batteries , chassis, etc. They don't care if they break LOL
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Heres the most honest and truthful answer anywhere on rctech... no 21.5 isnt fair, nor is any other class. The simple truth is racing of any form isnt for everyone and certainly not for the lazy or soft. Some of you are much better suited for bowling so im not stuck with more nonsense and stupid classes long after you quit racing and give up. As much crying as i hear today i couldn't imagine how some of you would have done 20 years ago or so when rc racing was actually work. No more resister packs, comm lathes, 20 different brushes and springs, twisting comms, ect. In todays world with everything from car setups to timing and rollout a click away on the world wide web, if you cant make your hoopty be competitive with very little money and go around the track at a club level race you should probably hang yourself quick before you screw something else up.
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Lmao.
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David Carradine yourself!
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USVTA Nationals ran the $50 Hobbywing fixed timing motor.

Ran like a champ.
Motor is pretty quick
runs cool
racing was awesome

Just a thought
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Jeff, this has nothing to do with TSR, and it was used as an example because it's only $95 and cheaper than the Motiv. Secondly, you never had me covered. A hack move in which you were penalized with a stop and go penalty doesn't constitute you being fast. In fact, you were the only one with a penalty as far as I know.

Secondly, the VTA win was use as an example, not boasting as you call it. Steve ran an older version motor, and if you had been up front, you would have seen the pass on the straight clearly showing the newer hp difference. My job is to win, I don't control who or how many enter. But like you said, your car sucked....imagine that.

So, you believe Dave F after all these years of running every class including tons of mod doesn't know how to gear, please Jeff, get a reality check.

As for all the guys you race with being sponsored and don't care about breaking parts, please wake up. Honestly, everyone cares about not finishing a race.

Maybe you weren't around when mod winds in single, double, and triple were extremely popular. Nobody races mod onroad in FL anymore. This weekend was a first in a very, very long time, correct?

Lastly, Brian had thermal issues at least twice so.....what happened there? Please, bring something to the subject that isn't tainted with the fact you were beat in triple A mains and fairly penalized as the race director clearly explained to you.
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USVTA Nationals ran the $50 Hobbywing fixed timing motor.

Ran like a champ.
Motor is pretty quick
runs cool
racing was awesome

Just a thought
Was this the G2 version?

Because the G1 is an asthmatic slug.
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