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Old 03-01-2017, 11:33 AM   #211
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I have a Carson Cupmachine, it is a fast little motor, but it is not Fantom, Motiv, TSR 21.5T fast.
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Yeah, it don't cost 200 bucks either.

Just sayin'.
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If you guys want to eliminate the motor of the month issue I have a simple solution for you as suggested by a friend of mine. motor claim like is done in dirt tack racing. The theory goes like this, the track or sanctioning body (ROAR) would set a claim price and anyone can then claim the winning driver's motor at the set price. Just for example lets say that price is set at $80, very few are going to keep spending $175+ on special motors only to have it claimed after the first race. There you go no special restrictions or difficult to enforce rules, simple and effective way to get racers to work on setup and driving over motors.
Something tells me there will be people willing to spend the difference between the claim price and new motor price to stay on top. Will it really matter that much to sponsored drivers getting stuff for free or heavily discounted?
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:36 PM   #214
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Yeah, it don't cost 200 bucks either.

Just sayin'.
True but neither did my fantom. There is a $50 difference between the two.

I get what you are saying though..
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SO then I am looking for the best timing/punch ESC out there. It is a vicious cycle.
Not if the rest of the speedo is open. In fact on a blinky speedo you can still change the punch.

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But if 17.5 is already too fast this dont help...
i like the ets idea
let companies bid on which motor to use for one indoor season (iic-roar nats)
then its up for grabs for offroad and so on. set fdr is fine ,handouts are fine
sensorless, i dont like that idea.
Apply it to 21.5

Another thing we could try is to have a real application of terms. Stock equals blinky speedo, Modified equals open speedo. In that scenario the terms make sense. Pick whatever wind you want.
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For you guys thinking you must buy a 150 top of the line version of a select motor . Your only buying piece of mind . We have tested a few avg joe $100 motors against the top pick $150 motor with no difference in hot lap or fall off . Now there are a few upgrades that can be purchased separately (screws,alum lock rings ,rotors ) that will make some motors better . But for the main 2 motors . One only having 1 choice the other offering 2 choices are both able to bring home the hardware in their $100 form...
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If you guys want to eliminate the motor of the month issue I have a simple solution for you as suggested by a friend of mine. motor claim like is done in dirt tack racing. The theory goes like this, the track or sanctioning body (ROAR) would set a claim price and anyone can then claim the winning driver's motor at the set price. Just for example lets say that price is set at $80, very few are going to keep spending $175+ on special motors only to have it claimed after the first race. There you go no special restrictions or difficult to enforce rules, simple and effective way to get racers to work on setup and driving over motors.
Claim rules on privately owned motors? You can't legally force someone to sell their private property. Claim rules only work on handout motors.
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Not if the rest of the speedo is open. In fact on a blinky speedo you can still change the punch.
Changing the punch essentially just turns down the current limiter. There's no fancy timing manipulation going on.
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We are talking about stock racing, the stuff where you Americans would like to see the slow 21.5 or even 25.5 turns brushless. The Carson Cupmachine is much faster.....
I hate it that drivers do find brushed oldskool and a bad idea but like many of these topics say that brushless is also no solution.
Slow is based on perspective and the skill set of the racers involved in the class. When you are pushing your limits of patience and concentration, and not able to pay attention to the race around you, you're going too fast. Learning has stopped. Fear of crashing has begun. You're now in a fight for your life instead of having fun. Just as the pinnacle of motor sport, there is only so much talent that can handle the speed of even 17.5 and up at an international skill level. Comparisons of the past and present show that the 21.5 class is faster than the mod class of 20 years ago. Taking that into perspective, where is the new racer supposed to go? Oh yeah, the class that's so freaking fast for his skill set he can't compete, can't learn and is completely overwhelmed by. This has nothing to do with nationality. I'll bet you see it happen in Holland. New guy walks in, pays out big money to race, embarrasses themselves or afraid of the speeds you call slow and never returns. This isn't a complaint about the hobby in general, it's about keeping the new racer and getting more.
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Claim rules on privately owned motors? You can't legally force someone to sell their private property. Claim rules only work on handout motors.
You are right you can't force them to sell it. You can choose to not let them race in that class if they do not agree to the terms of said class.
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Claim rules on privately owned motors? You can't legally force someone to sell their private property. Claim rules only work on handout motors.

Wrong this works in 1:1 real racing with $3,000 motors. If you race in this class that is the rule, you follow the rule or you don't race plain and simple
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so whats the end result?....still waiting on ROAR to add restriction?.....how about this... if your club is losing racers cause of a motor....have a Pro ($$$$$) and regular class($$)

or just ask the guys with the $$$$$ to run his old motor....
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You are right you can't force them to sell it. You can choose to not let them race in that class if they do not agree to the terms of said class.
So if a fast guy (based on talent) shows up with a couple of motors, has all of them claimed, he's disqualified because he refuses to hand over his last motor? He's not likely to come back and race at that track again, or any track using that rule.
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well there is always this...and its a handout motor, just saying

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got an issue with motors and want to race with more setup and driving skill?....USVTA is your class...its my class...its our class...

get it, cheap plug for a great event and I solved the motor of the month issue at the same time....

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Wrong this works in 1:1 real racing with $3,000 motors. If you race in this class that is the rule, you follow the rule or you don't race plain and simple
"Don't race plain and simple" on such controversial rules is just ludicrous in a time where we're already struggling for numbers. This thread (and many like it recently) popped up as a way to discuss improvements to the situation, not drive more racers away.
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