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Old 01-25-2017, 08:07 PM   #76
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No, of you knit at an increased rate of speed, then you begin "splintering" the carbon. I hear xray makes graphite counterparts with pink handles that work well.
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Old 01-25-2017, 10:27 PM   #77
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It's the host track decision. Get onboard and support whatever they choose to run at that event. There are pros and cons to both, but it's the same for everyone. Racing is fun - remember?
That's just silly Rob
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Carpet qual points, especially on the new rug are a terrible idea. After practice, based on the sauce used today, track conditions are consistent from round 1 to round 4. Especially at races like Vegas, Snowbirds, The Halloween Classic, and US Indoor Champs. The reason TQ's reset in the last round is that everyone has come to grips with the track. In cases where the track did actually change from round to round, is it good to have someone in the show whose car was awesome for the two rounds the grip was crap, okay enough to stay in the 10 in round three, but is a complete crapwagon for round 4 and the main? Qual points is horrible logic imho. 3 a's make sense though.
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Carpet qual points, especially on the new rug are a terrible idea. After practice, based on the sauce used today, track conditions are consistent from round 1 to round 4. Especially at races like Vegas, Snowbirds, The Halloween Classic, and US Indoor Champs. The reason TQ's reset in the last round is that everyone has come to grips with the track. In cases where the track did actually change from round to round, is it good to have someone in the show whose car was awesome for the two rounds the grip was crap, okay enough to stay in the 10 in round three, but is a complete crapwagon for round 4 and the main? Qual points is horrible logic imho. 3 a's make sense though.
Your example of the car becoming a crap wagon is in direct conflict with your assertion that the track doesn't change round 1 to 4.

Track always changes -- no matter which rug.
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ok is it fair for the guy that runs in the 1st heat vs 8th heat in a around the 8th will have higher traction.
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The seeding system is not bad...
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Old 01-29-2017, 07:57 PM   #82
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ok is it fair for the guy that runs in the 1st heat vs 8th heat in a around the 8th will have higher traction.
When each class of car runs back to back heats I don't think there is a significant difference from the first to the fourth heat or even 6th if that many cars in a round in the end the field stacks up according to skill
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Your example of the car becoming a crap wagon is in direct conflict with your assertion that the track doesn't change round 1 to 4.

Track always changes -- no matter which rug.
Meh, I agree that it does change. But I have seen guys (I have been among them) that can run in lower grip and then when the grip becomes very high, couldn't tune to compensate. The Main is gonna have equal to more grip in round 4, so the cars and drivers that do well in those conditions should be the ones racing for the Main imho. Plus as Jason Cheng stated, kinda makes it hard to try different set-ups round to round for fear of a botching a run or two.
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any more info guys or thoughts ?
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we really need qual points.
fail in the final round of qualifying at SB -- have fun in the B or C main!
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I wholeheartedly agree with this--and at no race more so than the Snowbird Nationals.

Really this is the only way to hold an event that is several days long on carpet in my opinion. This should be the norm for carpet as it is for asphalt events.

Track changes (due to increased traction, laps, whatever) mean if that the best/fastest runs are only available in the last round or two. Qualifying points allows every run to matter. Counting 2 of 4 runs (as is done at ROAR Asphalt Nationals) would be perfect.
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fail in the final round of qualifying at SB -- have fun in the B or C main!
^ This.
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fail in the final round of qualifying at SB -- have fun in the B or C main!
This statement could not be further from the truth. On average, less than half the A main grid in most classes was gained in the 4th qualifier.

In 3 classes 6 spots from R4
In 2 classes 5 spots from R4
In 2 classes 4 spots from R4
In 4 classes 3 spots from R4

TQ, on the other hand, this would be a more accurate statement.

In 8 classes TQ set R4
In 2 classes TQ set R3
In 1 class TQ set R2 (interestingly, TC mod)

I would bet that if you went through and calculated qually points for this race, most people would still be in the same mains as rocket round.
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Nothing will change for the carpet Nats so why not calculate alternate qual points results and see how the results differ. It won't give an exact comparison due to differing strategies for each format, but it will give you some idea of the differences.

I am actually shocked that this subject has come up now. I have limited running on black carpet but I thought gray was much worse when it came to lap time improvement over the course of an event.
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Meh, I agree that it does change. But I have seen guys (I have been among them) that can run in lower grip and then when the grip becomes very high, couldn't tune to compensate. The Main is gonna have equal to more grip in round 4, so the cars and drivers that do well in those conditions should be the ones racing for the Main imho. Plus as Jason Cheng stated, kinda makes it hard to try different set-ups round to round for fear of a botching a run or two.
I like both styles of qualifying. Who cares if somebody be got out tuned in round 4. They out tuned the others in prior rounds. Just roll with it.
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