Will 21.5 Brushless be the new stock?
12-16-2016, 02:50 PM
#331
Howard, I hope so.
I read those posts. Is it time we came up with a minimum resistance spec for 21.5 motors? Don't ask ROAR for it, let's come up with it and recommend it to ROAR.
So would it be acceptable to say that touring car should be 3 classes; VTA, GT, and 17.5? And open mod would only be run at the big races?
I read those posts. Is it time we came up with a minimum resistance spec for 21.5 motors? Don't ask ROAR for it, let's come up with it and recommend it to ROAR.
So would it be acceptable to say that touring car should be 3 classes; VTA, GT, and 17.5? And open mod would only be run at the big races?
12-16-2016, 03:41 PM
#332
I submitted minimum resistance rules when I was the ROAR technical director, more than three years ago. No one else on the executive committee voted yea or nay; I don't even think they believed it was important. If they had acted, we would have avoided both the "short stack" motor war, and the current "skinny stack" motor war. That's a whole bunch of racer's money that could have been saved.
12-16-2016, 03:45 PM
#333
Most of the guys I know who run mod don't run it at their home tracks, at least at club races. Mod is too hard on equipment. When there is a big race coming up, they will run a mod class, but there's usually only one or two heats. And most tracks have a "6 and it's a class" rule.
12-16-2016, 04:51 PM
#335
Howard, I hope so.
I read those posts. Is it time we came up with a minimum resistance spec for 21.5 motors? Don't ask ROAR for it, let's come up with it and recommend it to ROAR.
So would it be acceptable to say that touring car should be 3 classes; VTA, GT, and 17.5? And open mod would only be run at the big races?
I read those posts. Is it time we came up with a minimum resistance spec for 21.5 motors? Don't ask ROAR for it, let's come up with it and recommend it to ROAR.
So would it be acceptable to say that touring car should be 3 classes; VTA, GT, and 17.5? And open mod would only be run at the big races?
25.5 roar already has a lower limit resistance spec .
Not to get them to add a lower resistance spec to the other "spec" motors (21.5 & ¹17.5&13.5)
As of now if I remember correctly 21.5 is currently as low as
27.3 ish inductance
17.5 is 17.6ish
13.5 is in the 10s...
So I think dropping the minimum inductance by .5 and black out the opertunity for manufacture to go any lower
12-16-2016, 06:50 PM
#337
A base line $95 with a 4line rotor ir 29.2per coil
And a "the one " cream of the crop $150 motor 27.6
Ran same lap times with both . Both felt amazing and at Cleveland champs I ran the std one and still managed to clip off the overall fastest lap not that's a good judgement of performance when one lap don't win a race lol
12-16-2016, 07:43 PM
#338
Don't get me wrong they sound like a great motor particularly if they are legal but as they are such a small two bit operation with some very obvious supply chain issues, I'd be very surprised to see if they even surface over here anytime soon.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
12-16-2016, 07:49 PM
#339
Don't get me wrong they sound like a great motor particularly if they are legal but as they are such a small two bit operation with some very obvious supply chain issues, I'd be very surprised to see if they even surface over here anytime soon.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
12-17-2016, 03:22 AM
#341
Don't get me wrong they sound like a great motor particularly if they are legal but as they are such a small two bit operation with some very obvious supply chain issues, I'd be very surprised to see if they even surface over here anytime soon.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
It's never a good look for a new company to have a website where everything is a backorder.
12-17-2016, 09:31 AM
#344
I've had my hands on 2 tsr 21.5s
A base line $95 with a 4line rotor ir 29.2per coil
And a "the one " cream of the crop $150 motor 27.6
Ran same lap times with both . Both felt amazing and at Cleveland champs I ran the std one and still managed to clip off the overall fastest lap not that's a good judgement of performance when one lap don't win a race lol
A base line $95 with a 4line rotor ir 29.2per coil
And a "the one " cream of the crop $150 motor 27.6
Ran same lap times with both . Both felt amazing and at Cleveland champs I ran the std one and still managed to clip off the overall fastest lap not that's a good judgement of performance when one lap don't win a race lol
12-17-2016, 10:17 AM
#345
I believe the USVTA/USGT organization is large enough now that it could easily enforce its own standards. And the Manufacturers would comply. Why? Because USVTA/USGT/F1 are 95% of the US market for these motors and easily 80% of the world market. There is no reason to wait on ROAR on this. There is also ZERO reason to make a touring car class with 21.5 or 25.5 motors. There are already classes that exist with these. For the health of our own hobby we really need to stop re-inventing the wheel. There are no excuses of better traction, or cost with TC. Just tune your car to fit the tires. And if you feel you've outgrown the class, get another motor and tires and body for that class and have fun.
Could someone answer this honestly... How many on-road races/tracks are still ROAR sanctioned/sponsored. Outside of the ROAR Nats, I really can't think of anything.
Could someone answer this honestly... How many on-road races/tracks are still ROAR sanctioned/sponsored. Outside of the ROAR Nats, I really can't think of anything.