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Old 12-18-2016, 08:05 PM   #376
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Off-road runs almost exclusively Mod. I would say less than 10% runs 17.5. And no one runs a 21.5 or 25.5 off road. So for the "spec" motor classes onroad is where the money is at.
The 10% only run stock is patently false. Stock racing is absolutely huge in offroad right now. Your comments on 21.5 and 25.5 are correct though.

I would not be upset if stock in offroad was 21.5. Need to get people to put on their big boy pants and move up to mod. If stock was slower I think that would happen more often.
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I would also like to see off-road go to 21.5 or 25.5. At the tracks I run, stock is just as fast as mod.
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Old 12-19-2016, 05:13 AM   #378
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Ok, let me qualify that statement. Outdoor off-road stock is almost non-existent except maybe in a novice class. But even at the indoor facilty near me, most run a 13.5 or faster.

I really don't see how going to a slower motor in off road is a good thing. When I ran my 22 with a 6.5, it wasn't (or didn't seem) much faster than my 17.5 touring car.
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I would also like to see off-road go to 21.5 or 25.5. At the tracks I run, stock is just as fast as mod.
Oh hell no! There are some tracks where 17.5 is barely enough motor.

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Ok, let me qualify that statement. Outdoor off-road stock is almost non-existent except maybe in a novice class. But even at the indoor facilty near me, most run a 13.5 or faster.

I really don't see how going to a slower motor in off road is a good thing. When I ran my 22 with a 6.5, it wasn't (or didn't seem) much faster than my 17.5 touring car.
Now this is a brilliant example of how your view can skewed by where you race. Up here in the northeast 17.5 is a very strong class, and almost always outnumbers mod entries. And there is a very strong mod following. You can't assume what's going on in your area is a good example of what's going on everywhere.

The SC wars happened in the beginning as people were starting to figure out boost. Everyone kept their formulas to themselves to hang on to that advantage. Now that we know what to do, and most SC's have programmable boost, there's no real advantage any more. And blinky has pretty much killed off any SC evolution.

Which brings me to a point, why isn't there an open SC class? I understand blinky for slower classes, but in expert classes (like mod) you should be able to do whatever you want with the SC. It would be similar to engine mapping.
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you can run boost/timing in Mod
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17.5 offroad is absolutely huge in the PNW too.
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If one were allowed to run in non-blinky mode would that lessen the gap for a cheaper motor versus a certified motor? Say for 21.5 or 17.5?
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If one were allowed to run in non-blinky mode would that lessen the gap for a cheaper motor versus a certified motor? Say for 21.5 or 17.5?
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