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Old 12-08-2016, 07:50 PM   #166
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I've just stepped in to racing over summer. So just a question. What's difference between USGT and 21.5TC? We ran what I thought was USGT with 21.5
I'm still trying to get the classes to motors straight.
Both use 21.5
USGT uses cool bodies not roar approved with a T2 rating
Usgt uses gravity treaded tires
Usgt class is 1380g (30g heavier than tc classes)
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Currently being developed, and used here in Australia, a simple FDR checker, that plugs into the motors sensor port, and measures the FDR.
If the pulley's are changed, it will detect the change in FDR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSUOI7ikzdk
I know, I have started it about 4 years ago. Sadly Uwe Reinhart did copy the idea while mine was used succesfully at the ETS. Currently I have designed some plans to read the motor rpm from the motor power cables.
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Both use 21.5
USGT uses cool bodies not roar approved with a T2 rating
Usgt uses gravity treaded tires
Usgt class is 1380g (30g heavier than tc classes)
Ok. Thanks.
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Body and tires only. USGT has a spec tire from Gravity and here the FSEARA series uses a spec tire for all TC classes. Not much difference but I think, as has been mentined, USGT may be the way to go for 21.5 and in other areas 21.5 TC may be a better option.
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We'll eventually figure out how.
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lol

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Boom...close it close it ....dang it, CLOSE IT!
Why do we need 4 electric touring car classes, but only one nitro touring car class?

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On the more serious front, switching to 21.5 will not shake up finishing orders, reduce sandbagging, or make racing easier. It will, however, mean we get to start all over again with new motors.
And DesertRat states the obvious truth. Going to 21.5 fixes nothing.

Well, there's always the Drone Racing League.
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Why do we need 4 electric touring car classes, but only one nitro touring car class?



And DesertRat states the obvious truth. Going to 21.5 fixes nothing.

Well, there's always the Drone Racing League.
If your already running 17.5 and feel like your doing well why would you switch to 21.5 tc ?
I'm thinking only if your struggling in 17.5 or have a error factor greater than .8 it would be a good swap.
But just joining 21.5 just because it's a new "stock" class is nuts...
But I don't see why they even made a 21.5tc class cause usgt is already underway.
So how about just boycotting the 21.5tc class and run usgt (if option applies) .
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If your already running 17.5 and feel like your doing well why would you switch to 21.5 tc ?
I'm thinking only if your struggling in 17.5 or have a error factor greater than .8 it would be a good swap.
But just joining 21.5 just because it's a new "stock" class is nuts...
But I don't see why they even made a 21.5tc class cause usgt is already underway.
So how about just boycotting the 21.5tc class and run usgt (if option applies) .
Oh wow, that makes sense...
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D.B. your too easy to please . lol
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Im guessing its not the speed of the cars but the size of the indoor tracks alot you guys run on that is the primary problem here? Because in australia 21.5tc is the baseline starting point with 13.5 being stock and then mod, but being on larger outdoor tracks we dont have this problem arise.
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The reason there is only one nitro touring class is that there is only one motor, and can only run outdoors. I would also say nitro tourin is a small a class around the US as mod. Really the only people I know that run mod also run nitro. Even when their outdoor race gets cancelled or rained out, very few of those guys (again that I know) ever come indoors. They like mod too much and don't want to have to put "slower" motors in their cars for indoors.
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If your already running 17.5 and feel like your doing well why would you switch to 21.5 tc ?
I'm thinking only if your struggling in 17.5 or have a error factor greater than .8 it would be a good swap.
But just joining 21.5 just because it's a new "stock" class is nuts...
But I don't see why they even made a 21.5tc class cause usgt is already underway.
So how about just boycotting the 21.5tc class and run usgt (if option applies) .
I'm not running 17.5 I began boycotting touring car when the car prices reached $400. Now they're over $500.

I run VTA with my TC4 that was my touring car back in the day. I do reasonably well and have fun when I race it. I'm not going to win, don't have the skills any more, but as long as it's fun, I'll race it.

The nearest carpet track to me is 360V2. A great track run by some of the best people in the hobby. They don't run VTA, but they do run USGT. I did get a body, and I have a 21.5 motor to use.

However, one racer, who's opinion I respect, has stated that USGT is the new stock. Not just 21.5 TC. If that's true, how can I expect to compete with brand new Awesomatix cars racing my 16 year old car? All of a sudden, the fun is gone.

Here's a question does this also mean 21.5 12th scale?
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The reason there is only one nitro touring class is that there is only one motor,
ahem!

Nitro on road is in a slump due to the lack of tracks. It's much harder to get and keep a nitro track going.
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I'm not running 17.5 I began boycotting touring car when the car prices reached $400. Now they're over $500.

I run VTA with my TC4 that was my touring car back in the day. I do reasonably well and have fun when I race it. I'm not going to win, don't have the skills any more, but as long as it's fun, I'll race it.

The nearest carpet track to me is 360V2. A great track run by some of the best people in the hobby. They don't run VTA, but they do run USGT. I did get a body, and I have a 21.5 motor to use.

However, one racer, who's opinion I respect, has stated that USGT is the new stock. Not just 21.5 TC. If that's true, how can I expect to compete with brand new Awesomatix cars racing my 16 year old car? All of a sudden, the fun is gone.

Here's a question does this also mean 21.5 12th scale?
This proves the point I have been trying to make.
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