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Old 01-06-2017, 04:01 PM   #76
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Try thicker center damper fluid to start.
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Old 01-11-2017, 02:21 PM   #77
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is there a site or post showing the rates of different manufacturer springs on the market?
springs rates form the packet. Looks like the eclipse does use Kawada parts, plus it lists the imperial measurements too, such as that used by AE. looks like the red spring is the same wire diameter as the AE, .4's note sure if the have the same rate though..

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springs rates form the packet. Looks like the eclipse does use Kawada parts, plus it lists the imperial measurements too, such as that used by AE. looks like the red spring is the same wire diameter as the AE, .4's note sure if the have the same rate though..

Those appear to be wire diameter in mm, not an imperial measurement. Associated springs are usually listed in imperial diameter sizes like .018, .020, .022 etc. here in the states. Interesting that a single size wire can have so many different rates.
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Those appear to be wire diameter in mm, not an imperial measurement. Associated springs are usually listed in imperial diameter sizes like .018, .020, .022 etc. here in the states. Interesting that a single size wire can have so many different rates.
two springs with the same size wire but with more or less coils will have different spring rates. If equal wire sizes, the spring with more coils will be softer and the one with less coils will be stiffer.
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two springs with the same size wire but with more or less coils will have different spring rates. If equal wire sizes, the spring with more coils will be softer and the one with less coils will be stiffer.
This sounds backwards to me.
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More coils is definitely softer
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More coils is definitely softer
This is correct.
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This sounds backwards to me.
Imagine the extremes: if the "spring" was just a rod of metal of that thickness, replacing the spring lengthwise, it would be much more rigid.

Now, also imagine that same wire thickness as a straight rod, but perpendicular (a bit like a leaf spring). The longer it would be, the softer it would be, and if it were really short, it'd be rather stiff.

Coiling is just a way of packing a long wire in a given space, so more coilings means that it's "hiding" a longer wire, thus, softer.
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Imagine the extremes: if the "spring" was just a rod of metal of that thickness, replacing the spring lengthwise, it would be much more rigid.

Now, also imagine that same wire thickness as a straight rod, but perpendicular (a bit like a leaf spring). The longer it would be, the softer it would be, and if it were really short, it'd be rather stiff.

Coiling is just a way of packing a long wire in a given space, so more coilings means that it's "hiding" a longer wire, thus, softer.
Taking an explanation all the way to its logical extremes is a wonderful way to illustrate a point. This is the best explanation I've heard!
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Taking an explanation all the way to its logical extremes is a wonderful way to illustrate a point. This is the best explanation I've heard!
I really don't like it when I'm just told "it's obvious it's like that, and if you don't get it, well, just accept it".
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See post #89

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Heads up for those ordering from the Schumacher site in the UK: Schumacher utilizes a third party merchant for credit card processing which is either shady or has pretty questionable security measures. One credit card has already been compromised from ordering off the racing-cars.com site. I would steer clear of purchasing anything from Schumacher directly until this is addressed.
Have you emailed to tell them this?
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Old 01-20-2017, 10:11 AM   #89
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Schumacher has been contacted. One of their head IT people followed up immediately = Top notch! They have assured us their payment processing company is very secure. We presumed it was the transaction done through Schumacher as the fraudulent transactions happened within hours of purchasing on Schumacher's site and all of the fraudulent charges were UK-based.
I personally received notification from my credit card company this AM that my card was compromised. I have not made a purchase through Schumacher's UK site. All of my charges were US-based. We are contacting Stormer, as it's the common denominator for both of us that have been hit. Not saying it's either Schmacher or Stormer, but it COULD be one of them. Bottom line: Be careful making online purchases and check your statement if you have purchased from either of them. If you are using a debit card to make these purchases make sure you are protected against unauthorized transactions.
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To be fair to Schumacher, they did have a problem about 4-5 years ago on their website, but after that, they put in a lot of work / time / money to make sure that it couldn't happen again. I haven't heard of anyone that's had any issues since.
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