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Welcome to the XRAY T4'17 Thread & Wikipost! Here you will find some useful info, tips and tricks as well as setups that are used by several team drivers. This wikipost is a work in progress and should continue to develop over time. Feel free to add anything you feel is useful to the community!
New for 2017: The T4'17 comes available with either a Graphite chassis, or Aluminum Flex chassis. We recommend the Graphite chassis for starting on asphalt, and the Aluminum Flex for starting on carpet. The 2017 also comes standard with the floating swing rack as an option, and the Composite Graphite arms included. Most of the team prefers the Graphite arms for both asphalt and carpet, though sometimes Hard arms may be ideal for asphalt depending on the conditions. This year's car also comes with the new "In-line Flex Adjustment" which provides many more flex adjustments than in the past allowing you to focus & fine-tune on forward/back flex and side-to-side flex both together & independently. Additionally, the Ackermann has been moved back by 1mm and the spacing of the RF blocks is wider, creating 0.5° less rear toe from previous T4 models. What's NEW at T4 2017? Convert your '16 to '17 specs with these parts: - NEW chassis plate (3 options to chose from below) - NEW Motor holder - NEW Motor holder plate - NEW center shaft holder - NEW Floating Servo Mount 301142 T4'17 CHASSIS 2.2MM GRAPHITE 301143 T4'17 ALU CHASSIS 2.0MM - SWISS 7075 T6 301144 T4'17 ALU FLEX CHASSIS 2.0MM - SWISS 7075 T6 302536 ALU STEERING POST FOR FLOATING SERVO SAVER (2) 303066-O T4'17 ALU LAYSHAFT BULKHEAD CLOSED L/R - ORANGE 303067-O T4'17 ALU MOTOR MOUNT - ORANGE 303068-O T4'17 ALU MOTOR MOUNT PLATE - ORANGE 306204-O T4'17 ALU SERVO MOUNT - ORANGE 306233 T4'17 GRAPHITE FLOATING SERVO HOLDER 3.0MM 306530 T4'17 GRAPHITE CHASSIS STIFFENER 3.0MM Tips & Tricks: Alex Hagberg's Tech Tip Tuesday articles How to mount your Protoform LTC-R Body Setting static camber How to mount weight on your chassis Part1 How to mount the rear wing on Protoform bodies Simple troubleshooting guide How to mount the battery on your chassis How to glue your front tires for CRC Black carpet with Eric Anderson Mastering the Sanwa M12S: Utilizing Exponential and RMode How to mount weight on your chassis Part2 Mastering the Sanwa M12S: Utilizing TH-Hold Team driver Tim Wahl posted some very useful build tips for the T4'16 on Facebook as he worked through building a new kit. These tips will still apply on the current model. 1- Carbon Parts 2-Suspension 3-Solid Axle and Differential 4-Bulkheads & Drivetrain 5-Driveshaft (ECS & CVD) 6-Front & Rear Suspension 7-Tweak 8-Anti-Roll Bar 9-Battery Fix (OPTIONAL) 10-Bumper & Body 11-Shocks 12-Steering Center Brace: The manual indicates using a 2mm shim under the center brace when attaching to the chassis plate. The gap is actually 3mm, so a 3mm shim should be used here. Tuning Note: On Carpet we have found that adding screws or doubling up the graphite brace will make the car react quicker to steering input, & change direction faster. Raising the graphite brace off of the aluminum bulkheads by placing a shim under it on the front and rear holes will reduce response. Using the tie-rod will reduce initial response to input, but will generate more in-corner traction or 'side-bite'. Using no brace will generate even more of this 'side-bite' but all of this is at the expense of corner speed. Best to use the tie-rod or no brace only in low-traction conditions. Additionally, the center brace increases forward traction, so removing it will potentially increase wheel-spin out of low speed corners. New Graphite Hubs: Xray have recently released some additional Graphite hubs for the T4 lineup. The 4° Graphite C-Hub has been out for some time and is known to improve steering on entry, and in general makes the car turn better. This has been the go-to c-hub on asphalt for many on the Xray team, though it is not needed on high bite carpet. The Graphite rear hub tends to make the car more stable, especially on corner entry. We are still working on gathering input on the new Graphite steering block, but for the moment feel that it should improve steering response. All Graphite parts are approximately 1g lighter than the Hard or Medium options. ARS Tuning courtesy of Ed (TryHard): If you set the ARS up with no shims under either inside or outside ball positions, it actually adds toe-in under compression, at around 1° at 5.2mm ride height (how much it adds depends how much the car compresses, obviously  )Adding shims reduces the amount added (1mm under one of the links gives about 0.5°), until the link has 2mm worth of shims (1mm either side, or 2mm on one side) makes the ARS neutral. Adding more shims then turns it into reducing toe in under compression. Whilst that might sound a bit backwards, it's actually not quite as simple as it sounds. By having the links to add toe, you gain forward traction. Also consider as the car rolls, the inside wheel is in negative compression, and the outside in compression. So the inside is toe-ing out, and the outside toe-ing in, so the whole rear is then 'steering' in the direction of the turn. Obviously the inside wheel has a lot less influence than the outside as it's far less loaded, but the effect is still there. Optional & Tuning Parts to consider: XRA301196 T4 Graphite Upper Deck 1.6mm V2 XRA302254 Composite Steering Block - Graphite XRA302334 Aluminum C-Hub Block - Caster 0° - Orange *Only for ARS* XRA302383 Composite C-Hub Right – 4° - Graphite (ECS) XRA302384 Composite C-Hub Left – 4° - Graphite (ECS) XRA302711 Brass Front Lower 1-Piece Suspension Holder - Front - FF XRA302803 1.3mm Front Anti-Roll Bar XRA303360 Composite Upright 0° Outboard Toe-In - Graphite XRA303802 1.2mm Rear Anti-Roll Bar XRA305137 Steel Solid Axle Driveshaft Adapters - HUDY Spring Steel *Highly recommend* XRA305242 Composite Drive Shaft Replacement Cap 3.5mm – Orange – Strong (QTY 4) XRA305351 Aluminum Wheel Hub – Offset “-0.75mm” – Black (QTY 2) XRA305352 Aluminum Wheel Hub - Offset “+0.75mm” - Black (QTY 2) XRA306191 T4 Graphite + Aluminum Fully Adjustable Battery Holder XRA308264 4S Spring-Set Progressive C=2.5-2.8 (QTY 2) XRA308276 4S Spring-Set C=2.7 (QTY 2) XRA308286 4S Spring-Set C=2.6 (QTY 2) XRA308039 Aluminum Progressive Shock System – Set (QTY 2) *Only for asphalt* Recent Setups: Bruno Coelho - IIC 2016 - High Bite Carpet - Modified Alex Hagberg - AOC HK 2016 - Med Bite Asphalt - Modified Jan Ratheisky - AOC HK 2016 - Med Bite Asphalt - 13.5 Chris Adams - Halloween Classic - High Bite Carpet - Modified Chris Adams - ROAR Region 9 - Med Bite Asphalt - Modified Craig Xavier - US Indoor Champs - High Bite Carpet - 17.5 Bruno Coelho - ETS Rd1 Hrotovice - Med Bite Carpet - Modified Craig Xavier - Stock Wars - High Bite Carpet - 17.5 Jan Ratheisky - DHI Cup - Med Bite Carpet - 13.5 Chris Adams - Texas EOS Rd 1 - High Bite Carpet - Modified Alex Hagberg - Snowbird Nationals - High Bite Carpet - Modified Robbie Dodge - Snowbird Nationals - High Bite Carpet - 17.5 Jan Ratheisky - TITC - High Bite Asphalt - 13.5 Drew Ellis - ROAR Carpet Nationals - High Bite Carpet - Modified Eric Anderson - ROAR Carpet Nationals - High Bite Carpet - 17.5 Martin Crisp - Canadian Nationals - Medium Bite Carpet - Modified Martin Crisp - Canadian Nationals - Medium Bite Carpet - 17.5 Dan Hamann - MN State Champs - High Bite Carpet - 17.5 
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03-19-2017, 01:41 PM
#976
03-19-2017, 02:30 PM
#977
Do you still have to run offset spur gears?? Just picked up a 2017 and looking to buy some different sizes. What brand does everyone recommend??
03-19-2017, 03:29 PM
#978
03-19-2017, 06:05 PM
#980
I've never had a problem with the graphite arms . X-rays are tanks !!! They don't break !!! And yes it's a tuning option too . To me the car feels more lively with the graphite versus the hard . Hope this info helps
03-20-2017, 03:14 AM
#982
That's running at least once a week with the first 4-5 years on 'Hard' and 'Graphite' ever since.
03-20-2017, 04:22 AM
#983
Adding shims between the ballstud and the steering block increases bumpsteer, which increases the angle of the outside wheel during compression. You can find detailed info on bumpsteer and a lot more on learnsetup.com. That site a great tool from Martin Crisp, 2017 Stock TC Canadian National Champion.
Speaking of which, Congrats to Martin, Luke, Blake and the rest of the team on a great showing at the 2017 Canadian Nats!
03-20-2017, 11:13 AM
#984
What other brands of ball studs work on the T4 looking for 10mm long ball studs for the rear upper c hub?
03-20-2017, 11:56 AM
#985
03-21-2017, 12:04 AM
#986
Good Morning,
So I got a new "problem" I never had before with my other cars, the damn thing is too light... around 1330g
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I thought about changing the body to a heavier one but then also saw that Xray offers 20 and 30g weights you can put right where the graphite re-inforcement plate is located.
So the question is what is "better". I personally think a heavier body distributes the additional weight more evenly across the chassis, but the weight is obviously a lot less work.
So I got a new "problem" I never had before with my other cars, the damn thing is too light... around 1330g
.I thought about changing the body to a heavier one but then also saw that Xray offers 20 and 30g weights you can put right where the graphite re-inforcement plate is located.
So the question is what is "better". I personally think a heavier body distributes the additional weight more evenly across the chassis, but the weight is obviously a lot less work.
03-21-2017, 12:53 AM
#987
Good Morning,
So I got a new "problem" I never had before with my other cars, the damn thing is too light... around 1330g.
I thought about changing the body to a heavier one but then also saw that Xray offers 20 and 30g weights you can put right where the graphite re-inforcement plate is located.
So the question is what is "better". I personally think a heavier body distributes the additional weight more evenly across the chassis, but the weight is obviously a lot less work.
So I got a new "problem" I never had before with my other cars, the damn thing is too light... around 1330g
.I thought about changing the body to a heavier one but then also saw that Xray offers 20 and 30g weights you can put right where the graphite re-inforcement plate is located.
So the question is what is "better". I personally think a heavier body distributes the additional weight more evenly across the chassis, but the weight is obviously a lot less work.
03-21-2017, 01:09 AM
#988
I'd go with weight on the chassis, keeping the center of gravity as low as possible is going to be the better option. However, if you do indeed have the '17 car, the old 20g and 30g chassis weights won't directly bolt on at both anchoring points. I'd add weight depending on how you want the car to handle, weight in the front will smooth out steering inputs and limit weight transfer on braking. Weight in the middle will be the most neutral, and putting it at the back of the chassis will increase steering/rotation, particularly on braking.
03-21-2017, 03:02 AM
#989
Team Xray T4'17 - Robbie Dodge - Snowbird Nationals - 02-05.02.2017
Additionally, XRAY sells really nice brass arm mounts that a lot of guys use to add weight to the centerline of the car and adjust weight bias front/rear.
https://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/sh...f76c2839c92066
Keep in mind that each scale will read differently, so it is not uncommon to arrive at a new track and have to add a few grams. Also, different brands of wheels/tires will affect weight as well. For instance, jaco is usually about 2-3g lighter per wheel than gravity.
03-21-2017, 03:49 AM
#990
Wow thanks for the links. I really like the arm mounts. Of course the cheaper router are the additional weights since they cost close to nothing.