62LikesLet's talk modified 1/12
08-30-2016, 05:46 AM
#271
I remember that. I also recall one guy's girlfriend on the grid, on her hands and knees, waiting for the last possible moment to unplug the bump box. That's dedication! He later married her.
She was also a fit and attractive lady. It was just as likely that her function was to be a distraction to the other drivers, rather than to top up the battery.
So, back to my question: Is this where the drivers want mod to go? Back to battery/motor wars? Of the two choices, I'd guess the motor restriction would be a lesser evil. Plus it's easier to do handout motors than handout batteries, if it comes to that.
She was also a fit and attractive lady. It was just as likely that her function was to be a distraction to the other drivers, rather than to top up the battery.
So, back to my question: Is this where the drivers want mod to go? Back to battery/motor wars? Of the two choices, I'd guess the motor restriction would be a lesser evil. Plus it's easier to do handout motors than handout batteries, if it comes to that.
08-30-2016, 07:42 AM
#273
I remember that. I also recall one guy's girlfriend on the grid, on her hands and knees, waiting for the last possible moment to unplug the bump box. That's dedication! He later married her.
She was also a fit and attractive lady. It was just as likely that her function was to be a distraction to the other drivers, rather than to top up the battery.
So, back to my question: Is this where the drivers want mod to go? Back to battery/motor wars? Of the two choices, I'd guess the motor restriction would be a lesser evil. Plus it's easier to do handout motors than handout batteries, if it comes to that.
She was also a fit and attractive lady. It was just as likely that her function was to be a distraction to the other drivers, rather than to top up the battery.
So, back to my question: Is this where the drivers want mod to go? Back to battery/motor wars? Of the two choices, I'd guess the motor restriction would be a lesser evil. Plus it's easier to do handout motors than handout batteries, if it comes to that.
If you restrict mod either through battery or motor wind you will have motor/battery wars, real or perceived. The question is will restricting the class improve turnouts
08-30-2016, 08:13 AM
#274
How about this for the future of mod 1/12:
Open motor
Blinky ESC
Proven and widely available. Dramatically reduces the number of variables.
Spec tire
It's time.
2S LiPo
Double voltage, but half(ish) capacity. As capacity grows, consider reducing max start voltage to 8.3V or lower to keep speeds in check. The game becomes more about efficiency and making run time than who can drive balls out for 8 minutes. Something many people seem to think is an improvement. This should naturally bring with it a reduction in speed, especially without ESC timing available.
No boosters or receiver packs
If you allow them, everybody will have to run one since it will be seen as a way to keep more capacity in the main battery. Keep things simple.
2S LiFe could also be considered, but it doesn't look like capacity of the available cells is high enough. Unless of course you consider making 1/12 races shorter, but apparently that is verboten.
Open motor
Blinky ESC
Proven and widely available. Dramatically reduces the number of variables.
Spec tire
It's time.
2S LiPo
Double voltage, but half(ish) capacity. As capacity grows, consider reducing max start voltage to 8.3V or lower to keep speeds in check. The game becomes more about efficiency and making run time than who can drive balls out for 8 minutes. Something many people seem to think is an improvement. This should naturally bring with it a reduction in speed, especially without ESC timing available.
No boosters or receiver packs
If you allow them, everybody will have to run one since it will be seen as a way to keep more capacity in the main battery. Keep things simple.
2S LiFe could also be considered, but it doesn't look like capacity of the available cells is high enough. Unless of course you consider making 1/12 races shorter, but apparently that is verboten.
08-30-2016, 08:19 AM
#275
Then the only thing we've really changed would be the spec tires. A 2s LiPo with half the mAh rating as a 1s Lipo contains exactly the same amount of energy. Mate the 2s LiPo to a motor having twice the turn count of the one previously used for 1s LiPo, and the performance and duration will be identical.
08-30-2016, 08:32 AM
#276
Then the only thing we've really changed would be the spec tires. A 2s LiPo with half the mAh rating as a 1s Lipo contains exactly the same amount of energy. Mate the 2s LiPo to a motor having twice the turn count of the one previously used for 1s LiPo, and the performance and duration will be identical.
While I still think it's a questionable decision to encourage the dumping of LiPo, make the max voltage in tech 4.05/cell and nobody will be running a boosted 3.5 anymore.
08-30-2016, 08:44 AM
#277
Yes, by quite a bit.
08-30-2016, 08:50 AM
#278
Is it that plain on the track though? Are higher wind motors less efficient, and is it enough to make a difference? Will blinky further reduce efficiency? I seem to remember taking a lot less out of my packs in the boosted days.
While I still think it's a questionable decision to encourage the dumping of LiPo, make the max voltage in tech 4.05/cell and nobody will be running a boosted 3.5 anymore.
While I still think it's a questionable decision to encourage the dumping of LiPo, make the max voltage in tech 4.05/cell and nobody will be running a boosted 3.5 anymore.
08-30-2016, 08:59 AM
#279
It's totally non-scientific, and probably not something we can rely on in the future, but...
Right now, the highest capacity 1S packs are around 8000mah. The highest capacity 2S shorty packs (which are in a much larger case) come in around 5500mah. Presumably the need to cram more physical cells into a small space reduces available capacity since each cell has its own shell, and increasing that uses more of the available room.
No doubt this will improve with time, but it seems like requiring more physical cells has a similar effect to reducing the maximum allowable size of the battery case. Does 2S do this?
Right now, the highest capacity 1S packs are around 8000mah. The highest capacity 2S shorty packs (which are in a much larger case) come in around 5500mah. Presumably the need to cram more physical cells into a small space reduces available capacity since each cell has its own shell, and increasing that uses more of the available room.
No doubt this will improve with time, but it seems like requiring more physical cells has a similar effect to reducing the maximum allowable size of the battery case. Does 2S do this?
08-30-2016, 09:08 AM
#281
Use a 2s in a 1s case like they run in Japan for stock. The size limits them to 3800mah to 4000 mah.
08-30-2016, 09:14 AM
#284
Here's a random thought:
As I understand it, the modified class is supposed to reward those drivers with the best car control and (especially) throttle control skills. If a very hard spec tire having poor grip is selected, then the lap times will be slower, and there will be no question that everyone has enough horsepower. Carried to it logical conclusion, then, all races for modified class should be conducted on ice.
Reductio ad absurdum.
I'll go take my pills now.
As I understand it, the modified class is supposed to reward those drivers with the best car control and (especially) throttle control skills. If a very hard spec tire having poor grip is selected, then the lap times will be slower, and there will be no question that everyone has enough horsepower. Carried to it logical conclusion, then, all races for modified class should be conducted on ice.
Reductio ad absurdum.
I'll go take my pills now.
08-30-2016, 09:15 AM
#285
Here's a random thought:
As I understand it, the modified class is supposed to reward those drivers with the best car control and (especially) throttle control skills. If a very hard spec tire having poor grip is selected, then the lap times will be slower, and there will be no question that everyone has enough horsepower. Carried to it logical conclusion, then, all races for modified class should be conducted on ice.
Reductio ad absurdum.
I'll go take my pills now.
As I understand it, the modified class is supposed to reward those drivers with the best car control and (especially) throttle control skills. If a very hard spec tire having poor grip is selected, then the lap times will be slower, and there will be no question that everyone has enough horsepower. Carried to it logical conclusion, then, all races for modified class should be conducted on ice.
Reductio ad absurdum.
I'll go take my pills now.