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This is a wiki page for the new and very interesting concept 4-X from Serpent. This is wiki is meant to develop and grow as more is understood about the car.

Serpent's Product Page - http://www.serpent.com/product/400030
The 4-X Development Story - Here

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Old 12-19-2016, 04:16 AM   #121
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Good info cheers Andy63 and Antimullet... Interesting you feel the A800 is faster. Do you considered the A800 outright fastest out of all current RC's including the A700's (very subjective/ loaded question I'm sure)?

I don't think the A car is faster- I think the Serpent Project 4 x is faster and honestly in a league all its own.

Every minor adjustment makes demonstrable changes to setup and the car can really be tweaked for max performance by the class you are in.

I anticipate a sweeping change in design philosophy to occur with other chassis when they realize the benefits of the 4x.

I ran mine last night, struggled in 17.5 TC because I had a setup for USGT on it. I was able to extract better performance by tweaking a few adjustments that were very impactful and made the car settle nicely for the 17.5 blinky TC class.

I think the combination of a low cg shock system coupled with the durability and adjustment range of solid hingepin mounts in the bulkheads, clip in adjustments on the lower hingepin, pivotball outer knuckles, and a myriad of other adjustability things makes it much improved over anything out there.

Been very durable for me and tweak free. Unlike certain brands that can't take a hard hit in a club racing accident and continue on.
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Cool to hear. I think I want one
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I wouldn't think Viktor Wilck is wrong in his statement saying the 4x has speed issues compairing to other brands. He told me the car is dependant on grip that it just can't go faster on some tracks. Just look at his 2016 results, you will see him being everything from 3rd at worlds and like 20-30 at ETS. Viktor is one of the greatest drivers out there for sure, it's not his skill that tells the story in the results, it's the car!

But from another perspective, i am 100% positive that the Serpent 4x is the better beginners car! Just build it the right way and pay attention to the manual, and then try to get some help at the track as well and you will be fine.
The car is crazy easy to drive, but not the fastest of the bunch.
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I wouldn't think Viktor Wilck is wrong in his statement saying the 4x has speed issues compairing to other brands. He told me the car is dependant on grip that it just can't go faster on some tracks. Just look at his 2016 results, you will see him being everything from 3rd at worlds and like 20-30 at ETS. Viktor is one of the greatest drivers out there for sure, it's not his skill that tells the story in the results, it's the car!

But from another perspective, i am 100% positive that the Serpent 4x is the better beginners car! Just build it the right way and pay attention to the manual, and then try to get some help at the track as well and you will be fine.
The car is crazy easy to drive, but not the fastest of the bunch.
//enjoy you new kit!

I would say your sample size (one driver) regardless of what his skill level is
Is way too small to make such a general statement.

Let's discuss this 6-12 months from now and I'll bet your opinion differs once the setups are further tested. I would not say it is a beginner chassis based on my 3 decades plus of racing, but that's just my humble opinion. Regardless, how it drives for each individual is open to their own interpretation, and how they like a chassis to drive.
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I would say your sample size (one driver) regardless of what his skill level is
Is way too small to make such a general statement.

Let's discuss this 6-12 months from now and I'll bet your opinion differs once the setups are further tested. I would not say it is a beginner chassis based on my 3 decades plus of racing, but that's just my humble opinion. Regardless, how it drives for each individual is open to their own interpretation, and how they like a chassis to drive.
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I would say your sample size (one driver) regardless of what his skill level is
Is way too small to make such a general statement.

Let's discuss this 6-12 months from now and I'll bet your opinion differs once the setups are further tested. I would not say it is a beginner chassis based on my 3 decades plus of racing, but that's just my humble opinion. Regardless, how it drives for each individual is open to their own interpretation, and how they like a chassis to drive.
They have been using the project 4x plattform for a year now. 6-12 months wont get them any closer, unless they provide options or change the design a little.

Like i said, the issue is not how good the car feels to drive from an individual perspective, it's how fast this car can go around a track slower than other brands at the moment.

Tell me a serpent driver that is faster than Viktor Wilck and then you can say Wilcks knowledge and insight is less worth than your's.

And i'm not talking STOCK here, i'm talking Modified class, in stock the chassis might be as fast as others.
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They have been using the project 4x plattform for a year now. 6-12 months wont get them any closer, unless they provide options or change the design a little.

Like i said, the issue is not how good the car feels to drive from an individual perspective, it's how fast this car can go around a track slower than other brands at the moment.

Tell me a serpent driver that is faster than Viktor Wilck and then you can say Wilcks knowledge and insight is less worth than your's.

And i'm not talking STOCK here, i'm talking Modified class, in stock the chassis might be as fast as others.
This forum is for sharing info and discussing setups for the 4X. If you want to trash talk the car please do it somewhere else. We who actually runs the car are very happy with it.
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This forum is for sharing info and discussing setups for the 4X. If you want to trash talk the car please do it somewhere else. We who actually runs the car are very happy with it.
Trashtalking? I am complementing the car, but also point out the issues. I was simply trying to help hannhann00 making a decision as he/she asked whats good and bad 4x vs a800.
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Trashtalking? I am complementing the car, but also point out the issues. I was simply trying to help hannhann00 making a decision as he/she asked whats good and bad 4x vs a800.
Alrighty then. My bad.

I have only driven the 4X and not the A800 so I canīt compare them. I think Serpent is pretty clear about itīs an ongoing project (hence the name) and we will see some developments further on. But the design is tested on multiple surfaces and with drivers of different levels two years prior to release so I think the base is set.
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I wouldn't think Viktor Wilck is wrong in his statement saying the 4x has speed issues compairing to other brands. He told me the car is dependant on grip that it just can't go faster on some tracks. Just look at his 2016 results, you will see him being everything from 3rd at worlds and like 20-30 at ETS. Viktor is one of the greatest drivers out there for sure, it's not his skill that tells the story in the results, it's the car!

But from another perspective, i am 100% positive that the Serpent 4x is the better beginners car! Just build it the right way and pay attention to the manual, and then try to get some help at the track as well and you will be fine.
The car is crazy easy to drive, but not the fastest of the bunch.
//enjoy you new kit!

Hi Andre,

I think you took it a bit out of content here, I said we have areas we are trying to improve the car and different conditions we need to work on. But I have never said the car has speed issues compared to other brands.
For example it has showed great potential in low grip at last ETS in practice before I had issues with the esc and motor in qualifying and also high grip as the Worlds in Beijing.

I would like if you dont quote me in public before checking with me or talk to me about it , it makes misunderstandings and can take away from the things that where said.

thank you and hope you enjoy the car!

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Hi Andre,

I think you took it a bit out of content here, I said we have areas we are trying to improve the car and different conditions we need to work on. But I have never said the car has speed issues compared to other brands.
For example it has showed great potential in low grip at last ETS in practice before I had issues with the esc and motor in qualifying and also high grip as the Worlds in Beijing.

I would like if you dont quote me in public before checking with me or talk to me about it , it makes misunderstandings and can take away from the things that where said.

thank you and hope you enjoy the car!

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Hi Andre,

I think you took it a bit out of content here, I said we have areas we are trying to improve the car and different conditions we need to work on. But I have never said the car has speed issues compared to other brands.
For example it has showed great potential in low grip at last ETS in practice before I had issues with the esc and motor in qualifying and also high grip as the Worlds in Beijing.

I would like if you dont quote me in public before checking with me or talk to me about it , it makes misunderstandings and can take away from the things that where said.

thank you and hope you enjoy the car!

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What I think the issue in the car is it over heats the tires this just my experience running 17.5... same issue with my yokomo BD7 16'... however this car really reacts on setup changes which is I really like about the car. You make small setup changes and you can see it in the track right away.
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Hi Andre,

I think you took it a bit out of content here, I said we have areas we are trying to improve the car and different conditions we need to work on. But I have never said the car has speed issues compared to other brands.
For example it has showed great potential in low grip at last ETS in practice before I had issues with the esc and motor in qualifying and also high grip as the Worlds in Beijing.

I would like if you dont quote me in public before checking with me or talk to me about it , it makes misunderstandings and can take away from the things that where said.

thank you and hope you enjoy the car!

BR Viktor
I never quoted you saying it has speed issues, that was my opinion and what i have seen and experienced myself.
But you did tell me that the car is very fast in lowgrip and you need to work on making it fast in high grip, so i assume that is an issue? but i wonīt qoute you on things in the future, so you donīt need to worry about it. And like you say, you are working on areas that need improvement, i donīt see anything wrong in my statement as you say it yourself.

but just to clarify, i donīt mean to disrespect Viktor in any way, i wanted to help this newcomer hannhann00 get a perspective on two very different chassis putting pros vs cons.
But in the end, i favor the Serpent 4x greatly, so i dont understand the accusation of trashtalking a chassis i clearly favor in my arguments.
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