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Old 11-11-2005, 06:58 PM   #211
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This wasn't bad either can you say peekaboo !!!!!

Whoever had the camera should have gotten a little lower and alot closer!
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Old 11-11-2005, 06:58 PM   #212
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Nope, just concerened, I thought you were going to lap every mod 12th driver there, and then make them look bad. Besides your 12th was the best handling out of any out there!
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Old 11-11-2005, 07:12 PM   #213
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Whoever had the camera should have gotten a little lower and alot closer!
well heck I was walking by and those lil butt checks yelled "HEY HERE I AM TAKE A DAMN PICTURE !" so i did. couldnt get any closer they do have guys to watch the model's so things dont get out of hand!
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Old 11-11-2005, 07:19 PM   #214
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well heck I was walking by and those lil butt checks yelled "HEY HERE I AM TAKE A DAMN PICTURE !" so i did. couldnt get any closer they do have guys to watch the model's so things dont get out of hand!
Thats what the zoom lens is for!
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I think that at a race such as the IIC, Cleveland, or even a Nationals the "stock" class should be for non sponsored racers, the 19T class should be kinda like a pro stock class with 30-60% sponsored drivers and any club racer that is up to the challenge and the same with mod which would include Factory drivers, 30-60% sponsored drivers and the ballsie club racer. Like people have said if your novice you probably wont be at a national or any such caliber race but there are racers that never been to such races that would have a lot more fun and a more enjoyable experience if they werent moving over for 5 fast sponsored drivers 10 times in 1 heat, r/c is very competitive and people get discouraged easily when they feel like a moving opsticle, but they also want the chance to race at a prestigious event and get to watch there favorite drivers battle without being in there way.
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Thats what the zoom lens is for!
sorry cheap camera . I spend all my money on R/C stuff
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Old 11-11-2005, 07:27 PM   #217
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I think that at a race such as the IIC, Cleveland, or even a Nationals the "stock" class should be for non sponsored racers, the 19T class should be kinda like a pro stock class with 30-60% sponsored drivers and any club racer that is up to the challenge and the same with mod which would include Factory drivers, 30-60% sponsored drivers and the ballsie club racer. Like people have said if your novice you probably wont be at a national or any such caliber race but there are racers that never been to such races that would have a lot more fun and a more enjoyable experience if they werent moving over for 5 fast sponsored drivers 10 times in 1 heat, r/c is very competitive and people get discouraged easily when they feel like a moving opsticle, but they also want the chance to race at a prestigious event and get to watch there favorite drivers battle without being in there way.
trust!!! there are alot of drivers that dont belong at big races such as The IIC I had one hell of a time in stock with this one guy every time slam bang boom he would hit me. Even after the resort we ended up in the same heat.. but oh well had to deal with it
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Old 11-11-2005, 08:17 PM   #218
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Default Interesting discussion...

Funny, I never thought that people racing classes they were comfortable in was a bad thing, regardless of how many years you have been racing.

The problem I see with club racing today is too many people with $450 touring cars in classes way over their heads because there is no place to cut your teeth without feeling like you're being labeled a NOVICE. Stock used to be a class to begin with, but since I returned to racing, all stock classes appear to be just as feverishly contested as any modified class I have ever seen. Cutting comms every heat, replacing brushes like they were free, and more motor and battery work than mod guys did 10 years ago wasn't something I had ever expected to see in stock class racing.

Maybe this has been driven by removable endbells, maybe it's just a natural progression for any race class, but it certainly isn't in the original spirit of "stock" class racing. Stock class racing used to be a place to drop a motor into your car, charge the batteries, then go learn how to setup, drive and compete with others just like you. Now you need as much motor building skill if not more than the modified class to eek out as much power as possible to be competitive.

While I agree that the fast stock guys should be racing in 19T or modified classes, there is nothing you can do to force them out of stock. It's now about as entry level as modified would be. Frankly, it's none of anyone else's business where someone else should choose to race, locally or nationally. I'd rather race against 30 other guys of equal or better skills than be one of 15 guys left over in a class after every fast driver leaves for a faster class. Little fish in a big pond or a big fish in a small pond, only your ego and character can determine where you fit.
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Old 11-11-2005, 08:27 PM   #219
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This wasn't bad either can you say peekaboo !!!!!
Hey... It say's POWERVIEW on the headlight, damned right!!! LoL!!
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:04 PM   #220
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Here's my late night 2 cents...

Anyone who thinks stock is as expensive as mod simply hasn't run mod very often. They'd change their mind for sure.

Stock class at national events is about consistency. Only the very best drivers can be hyper-consistent.

When the entire class is running the same motor, it boils down to the details. Details are where the money comes from in this industry. Batteries matter. The motor man matters. The car matters. Even the bearing quality matters. It's absolutely no surprise that companies selling these products and services will sponsor (fund) the very best drivers to represent their products. Stop hating on the best drivers in stock, after all, we never hear any of those drivers complaining themselves. We're just standing on the outside looking in, acting all jealous!

With that said, I believe it is more fun racing with more power than stock has to offer. Money is an issue for me though, and the local Mod scene is pretty weak .... I only get to run stock and 19T. Guess what, it's still fun to race, even in Stock, with only a remote chance of winning!
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You are the muthaflippin' MAN!!!

JGTC and all other Touring (Especially Aussie Super V8's) kick ASSCAR in the nads.

God, NASCAR is such inbred corporate shit.


I don't live in a trailer, so I am not legally allowed to like nascar.
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Old 11-11-2005, 09:42 PM   #222
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Dave, this post isn't about Debbies. We have 19T and 1/12th 19T. Those plus stock equal enough choice. My gist is that the US isn't fielding good enough mod / rubber indoor drivers worldwide. Plus the fact that "Stock" is anything but.

I sense a nerve was hit?

Man this thread moves fast...

No way was a nerve hit. I have seen this discussion come and go ALOT since i started racing in '94. Many have stated as i have, some with more... others in less words, how pointless this is. People will run what they want to run... controlling it will either run away racers, or make for a really fast, and SMALL group of racers in each "division". The facts are, you have to be "this high to get on this ride". ----------------------

So what happens? Everyone wants their own theme park so they can have fun on the ferris wheel. Dude, the line is there for a reason. In this case, its the finish line... and the majority of racers feel cheated if they cant cross it first. Well, my point is, quite simply... someone HAS to be last. Its racing. No need for an essay, or opinions, or what ifs, or even cue cards to get through this simplistic discussion. You race, you win or lose. If you dont like losing go home and play a PS2 or XBox or whittle a whistle out of wood... maybe build some ERTL models? If you LIKE losing, then you will be BACK at the track for some more laps, and wont MIND spending the bread it takes to compete. YES... you have to spend time and money to beat those fast bastards at the local track... and NO it aint gonna happen in a year... or even two or maybe even five. Depends on skill level, eye hand coordination... ETC. But more importantly, it depends on your level of dedication. Your ability to LOSE for overall GAIN. Not everyone is cut out to be a racer... just as everyone isnt cut out to be a porn star. It just seems that some are more willing to understand the latter... for obvious reasons visible in the mirror.



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Maybe we should just make stock "THE" class to race in the world over. Then the USA will really kick A$$! Come on anybody can win with a 7 turn you have to be uber consistent to win with the same HP as the next 20 guys.
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Maybe we should just make stock "THE" class to race in the world over. Then the USA will really kick A$$!


How very American! Change the rules so you look good!
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How very American! Change the rules so you look good!

Oh yeah baby!
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