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Old 02-01-2016, 11:41 AM   #46
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I had the first version and now the V2. The V2 is a solid kit with much improved consistency and precision over the V1. The new plastics are great. I have not had any durability issues so far and I've been racing in the modified class for some time. I like all the options as standard parts on this car. This is definitely one of the best bang for the buck kits out there.
I have been running my V2 for a few months now and would say that's as good as most cars out there.
The Durango and the VBC are both very good cars in the hands of capable drivers. It really comes down to parts availability in your area and budget. The DETC410 is a great bargain especially with Towers current discount codes. Just like VBC, the parts are a but expensive compared to brands like Associated.
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Old 02-15-2016, 03:24 PM   #47
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Mr. yodog i need some help on touring car bodys i run mazda 6 gx its good on the old carpet but now we have the fasttrack 2 it black and is all traction. now all i do is traction roll. i am thinking on going to the bitty design m15. yes or no
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Mr. yodog i need some help on touring car bodys i run mazda 6 gx its good on the old carpet but now we have the fasttrack 2 it black and is all traction. now all i do is traction roll. i am thinking on going to the bitty design m15. yes or no
First off you will want a lightweight body always. On carpet, the Protoform Mazda Speed 6 is probably the most equally balanced body out there. Can you post you setup and I can then make some suggestions as what to do about traction rolling.
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1) Are you having to run a spec tire?
2) Are you limited to what tire sauce you can use?
3) Are you using tire warmers?
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I am runing usgt thats a slow class tire are usgt tires tire traction is sxt 3.0 i dont use tire warmers as for set up i have Elliott harper indoor high traction carpet u told he to run. i also put associated balls and cups all around.
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thanks yodog is that just the 6 or the 6 gx. i plan on runing 17.5 and usgt i have two detc410 i will run at the mile high indoor champinship
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thanks yodog is that just the 6 or the 6 gx. i plan on runing 17.5 and usgt i have two detc410 i will run at the mile high indoor champinship
6 is the first gen mazda the gx is junk, use the Mazda Speed 6, very specific model.
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6 is the first gen mazda the gx is junk, use the Mazda Speed 6, very specific model.
Exactly!
The GX is fine for pavement racing. it's a bit similar to the LTC-R but too much front grip for carpet.
For carpet racing, the setup is the primary reason for traction roll and a lightweight body is part of the total package.
Primary rule of thumb is to allow for chassis roll to absorb excess lateral energy. You want the tires to slide a little as well.
1) low roll center
2) softer springs
3) low ride height (5mm)
4) minimal tire prep (sauce)
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Thank you for the help i can do the springs ride hight and tires talk is thay will go to a harded tire. but not on usgt tire is set. now lower the roll center i will need some help. ware to start please....
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Thank you for the help i can do the springs ride hight and tires talk is thay will go to a harded tire. but not on usgt tire is set. now lower the roll center i will need some help. ware to start please....
Elliot's setup is for mod and is likely too aggressive for slower classes.
He is however already using a pretty low roll center based on the high bite carpet setup sheet.
Basically you want to run the lower arm mounts all the way down against the chassis. That gives you the lowest roll center. You could try removing the 0.5mm shims from the rear to lower the rear roll center all the way but might not make much difference. He is also already showing 3.5mm spacing on the front upper link mount so that's good. Raising the inner link height lowers roll center in smaller increments than lowering the lower arm mounts. What springs are you running by the way? You can add some anti-dive to the front by adding 0.5mm shims under the front/iiner arm mount. Reduce rear droop to 6mm to make it the same all around. This will help with reducing weight transfer to the front under braking/corner entry.

All these things will increase roll and reduce weight transfer rear to front.
Run maximum track width at the hubs to get the last bit of stability.
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yo i went up in spring 5 dot all around trying to make the car push it work some but not in the 180sss i roll if i was going to fast. i will do the changes and get the car ready for this weekend the good thing is the big race is still 8 weeks out i have time thanks and the spring are 5 dots all around
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yo i went up in spring 5 dot all around trying to make the car push it work some but not in the 180sss i roll if i was going to fast. i will do the changes and get the car ready for this weekend the good thing is the big race is still 8 weeks out i have time thanks and the spring are 5 dots all around
Contrary to common sense, stiffer springs tend to make traction rolling worse because they don't compress and absorb lateral energy. They act as a lever raising the ride height in the turns. If you go back to the 3 dot with the other geometry changes I suggest, you will make the car less "tippy" and still maintain grip.
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How close r are car to the xray
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How close r are car to the xray
It's more similar to the BD7 geometry wise.
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some of the xray drivers r puting the robby dodges setup from the snowbirds 2016 same carpet as 5280 that y i was asking. good thing i asked first..
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