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Old 11-12-2015, 08:36 AM   #271
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Completely agree 1s is perfect for this class. We have way too many Fast classes. The speed and the drive is a great way to keep racers in the hobby.

In on road there are a ton of 1s classes and 17.5 motors. It is not a strange new animal by any means.
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Old 11-12-2015, 08:59 AM   #272
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We run on a good size asphalt track .
17.5 just not fast enough.
We run 13.5 1s or 21.5 2s with gtp Lemans style bodies .
Maybe not a beginner class but same speed as F1 but with better handling because of bodies.
Maybe we can rename what we're doing PRO 10 - R
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:32 AM   #273
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I wasn't trying to cause a problem I just wondered about the 1S!

I have raced for over 30 years and my favorite was oval racing running 6-cell stock and modified. Then the rules changed to 4-cell while it wasn't as fun, I kept on racing.

Then it went to 1S 3.7v, I got a battery tried it for a couple of races but did not enjoy just holding the throttle full open and turning the wheel every second or so...while oval racing is my favorite form of RC racing then it was over form me, I went back to road racing my second favorite form of racing with 2S and 17.5.

While we have been racing the WGT-R with 1S and 17.5, several of us have been practicing with a 2S and some times it just a bit more then is needed, but that is why its called and throttle. The power and performance of the 2S is more to my liking, but I will run the 1S unless the guys out here decide to change it up.

We tend to be a bit on the OUTLAW side here is So Cal. We have OVTA that runs 2S with 21.5 motors. I think I will try WGT-R with a 2S and 21.5, and then with a 25.5 like the F1 guys and see how it works, I would think it will be find since the F1 guys have been doing 21.5 and now 25.5 on asphalt and carpet on rubber tires with the 2S and they are able to control it and have great racing and who knows maybe it might draw more into the class out here if the guys don't have to purchase a new battery and ESC just to participate!
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17.5 1s maybe too slow out doors 13.5 is good speed for outdoors 10.5 might be the way to go
CenCal tried 2s 21.5 but I believe he is going back to 1s 13.5 laptimes with the 1s. Many of you that say 1s is not fast haven't used new 1s .or newer brushless motors. The power of the 1s cars are very impressive. IMHO
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Then I will just sit back and enjoy watching the WGT-R cars at the tracks where I race.

Wait, there aren't any.

That's why I won't pull the trigger on 1S equipment. Too risky for a fringe class.

We're trying to grow F1 locally, and the switch to 2S 25.5 has a garnered a lot of interest, mostly because the guys already have the equipment. If F1 switched to a 1S setup here in the Carolinas, it would die an immediate death.

There is absolutely ZERO downside to offering a 2S 21.5 option for WGT-R. The guys that are already sold on the 1S 17.5 setups will run them. Then you would get additional cars from guys who already have 2S equipment and are interested in the class.

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I really don't understand why you need others to say ok before you can run something. If 2S is better for your track get three cars together and run. What is stopping you from running 2S 21.5 or 17.5 or mod at your track?

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Then I will just sit back and enjoy watching the WGT-R cars at the tracks where I race.

Wait, there aren't any.

That's why I won't pull the trigger on 1S equipment. Too risky for a fringe class.

We're trying to grow F1 locally, and the switch to 2S 25.5 has a garnered a lot of interest, mostly because the guys already have the equipment. If F1 switched to a 1S setup here in the Carolinas, it would die an immediate death.

There is absolutely ZERO downside to offering a 2S 21.5 option for WGT-R. The guys that are already sold on the 1S 17.5 setups will run them. Then you would get additional cars from guys who already have 2S equipment and are interested in the class.

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I really don't understand why you need others to say ok before you can run something. If 2S is better for your track get three cars together and run. What is stopping you from running 2S 21.5 or 17.5 or mod at your track?
You are correct! A friend of mine and I are building WGT-R cars and are planning on running 2S 25.5 setups. We're trying to convince a few of our other friends to join us.

The problem is that the bigger events are using the national rules set and this makes for a disconnect.

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That is it, you are not running a national event. You are talking about club racing. Follow national rules if you are running a national event. What works for national might not work for you club. If changing the battery will help your local track then why not.

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You are correct! A friend of mine and I are building WGT-R cars and are planning on running 2S 25.5 setups. We're trying to convince a few of our other friends to join us.

The problem is that the bigger events are using the national rules set and this makes for a disconnect.

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That is it, you are not running a national event. You are talking about club racing. Follow national rules if you are running a national event. What works for national might not work for you club. If changing the battery will help your local track then why not.
We'll see how it goes. As it is, there are too many classes, so I'm not holding much hope.

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Mark the number of classes are pretty alarming but the lack of on road racers especially at the local is even more catastrophic. We struggle to pull new racers in and keep them racing. I really don't know why. If would be great if WGTR can reinvigorate on road racing but I'm beginning to doubt that it's a class, motor or cost thing when it comes to the lack of on road racers. I hope I'm wrong but good luck to you and your friends at your local track.

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We'll see how it goes. As it is, there are too many classes, so I'm not holding much hope.

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Old 11-12-2015, 12:10 PM   #281
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For those using 2s for wgt-r, what lipo suits you best based on size and power? I've tried fitting 2s shorty packs into my x10 and it seems like too thick of a pack under the center shock mount. Unless the servo comes out and the pack stays in for good, I'm not quite sure how you guys are fitting it in. Also, are you using a lower power 2s lipo so to not over power the motor?
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You can just space up the center shock mount. Just remember that to keep the same center shock angle you need to space up the shock mount on the rear pod as well.

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For those using 2s for wgt-r, what lipo suits you best based on size and power? I've tried fitting 2s shorty packs into my x10 and it seems like too thick of a pack under the center shock mount. Unless the servo comes out and the pack stays in for good, I'm not quite sure how you guys are fitting it in. Also, are you using a lower power 2s lipo so to not over power the motor?
I have the Reedy 2s lcg 3900 70c battery and it's the same size as my 1s packs, I'm sure there are others but that would be one example.
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Mark the number of classes are pretty alarming but the lack of on road racers especially at the local is even more catastrophic. We struggle to pull new racers in and keep them racing. I really don't know why. If would be great if WGTR can reinvigorate on road racing but I'm beginning to doubt that it's a class, motor or cost thing when it comes to the lack of on road racers. I hope I'm wrong but good luck to you and your friends at your local track.
I'm one of those new racers, I started in 2014 at the age of 53. What drew me in was the cool cars, i.e. USVTA and USGT. Then I discovered F1. 1/10 Pan cars are so much simpler than 4WD touring cars, although I like those too. The rubber tires reignited the F1 class, IMHO.

I hope for the same for WGT-R. But 95% of the guys here in the Carolinas race touring cars, very few 1/12th scales. So the 1S power systems are unfamiliar to them. When I bring up WGT-R, once I answer the question 'what are the motor/esc/battery rules', I get shut down. Just an anecdotal observation.

I'm sure the 1S rules make for good racing and make sense. But convincing these guys I race with is tough.

On the other hand, we've made F1 converts by getting them a used chassis and allowing them to move their 2S power systems from their touring cars. That would not happen if F1 was 1S.

I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse here. But when one of the big names in RC says 1S isn't a good idea, maybe that's something to think about.

In England, F1 has allowed 1S 13.5 alongside 2S 21.5, and from what I've read they play well together. Why not adopt that model for WGT-R? What is there to lose?

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I have the Reedy 2s lcg 3900 70c battery and it's the same size as my 1s packs, I'm sure there are others but that would be one example.
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