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NEW FOR 2017 - MC2!

MOTIV M-Code motors, now MC2 for 2017, come pre-set to perform well in most applications. Each MOTIV M-Code motor comes with a specification check list specific to that individual motor. All MOTIV M-Code spec motors come standard with the new "S-HIGH" rotor. If you prefer a different rotor, please send an email via the "Contact Us" page on the Motiv site and reference your order.

Motiv dealers in the U.S. that have received MC2s are:

ProLevel RC
Fordham Hobbies
Lefthander RC
TQ RC Racing
Activ RC
Gripworks RC
Stormer Hobbies
AMain Hobbies
NorCal Hobbies

& More - Check your local hobby shop!

“Defy” Series Pro Li-Po battery weights

“Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 65c+ - 215 grams
“Thin Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 3900mah, 65c+ - 159 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 60c+ - 258 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 6000mah, 90c+ - 311 grams

Following are some suggested starting points for the MC2 line of motors for each class (we will update/add to this as often as possible). One key piece to pay attention to when adjusting your motor is Amp Draw. Try to keep spec motors around 3.0.

25.5 F1
FDR: 2.9-3.2
Timing: 42-45* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

25.5 USVTA
FDR: 3.6-3.9
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

21.5 USGT
FDR: 3.9-4.1
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.1-4.4
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 3.8-4.0
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 1/12
Rollout: 83-85mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

13.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.7-4.9
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 4.4-4.6
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 1/12
Rollout: 78-80mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

WGTR
Rollout: 73mm
Timing: 46
Rotor: S-MID for larger tracks. S-HIGH for smaller tracks, or tracks with black carpet.

17.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 5.85-6.0
Timing: 45-48*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 2WD SC & Stadium Truck
FDR: 7.5-7.8
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 4WD Buggy
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

Following are starting points for Mod motors in the MC1 line

7.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 10.2
Timing: @ 28*
Rotor: M-MID
Fan: Optional

5.5 TC
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: @ 30*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

4.5 TC
FDR: 7.6-7.8
Timing: @ 20*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

Every MOTIV Motor is hand checked, assembled and packaged by a professional in house at our WI, USA office. During this process every motor component must meet MOTIV requirements before assembly and packaging. Included is a specification check list which is filled out on a motor to motor basis all through the testing and assembly process to ensure the quality of our finished product


How its Made: Motiv RC Brushless Motor assembly w/ Paul Lemieux

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Old 07-30-2015, 10:56 AM   #1
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Now that more and more folks are receiving and using their Motiv gear, it seems like the time is right for a thread! Paul is crazy busy right now and has said he won't be able to stop in here on RCTech too frequently, but I think there are quite a few folks using his motors and/or batteries who should also be able to help answer questions or provide tips. Everything I have tried so far seems to indicate that these motors and batteries are really good and are a great option in the typically Trinity-dominated marketplace.

The Motiv website is here: http://motivrc.com/

I have been using a 13.5T in 1/12 since early-June and it seems really impressive. Seems very fast with very little fade (one tenth over eight minutes on the 60'x40' track I have been practicing on.) I have also been using a 4.5T and a 3.5T for mod sedan and mod 1/12, respectively, and those motors seem super smooth and driveable, but still very fast!

I think one of the best qualities of the Motiv motors, especially for 1/12, is that they are really light. My 13.5T comes in at 156g, which is anywhere from 10g to 15g lighter than most of the competition. The rotors and stators also seem to measure really well, although you want to consistently use the same equipment for this to make any sense of numbers across brands. The build quality of the motors is also really good, especially the rotors, and I think the spec sheet that is included with every motor is a nice touch.

Is there anybody else out there using these motors who has good starting points for gearing and timing, whether for 1s or 2s?

The batteries also seem really good with very little fade, although I have only had the chance to briefly test a 1s.

Here is the blurb from RedRC for the motors:
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Motiv RC have introduced the M-Code Pro Tuned brushless motors for 1/10th and 1/12th applications. The motors offer a short stack design, specially selected stator material for low power loss and they use high-quality pure copper wire for the windings. Other features include gold-plated solder tabs, a sintered rotor, high-quality neodymium magnet material and all-aluminium, high airflow cans for lower operating temperatures. Every M-Code motor is hand checked, assembled, and packaged by a professional in house at the WI, USA office and included with each motor is an analysis and quality control spec sheet. This Sheet is filled out on a motor to motor basis all threw testing and assembly and includes information unique to your M-Code motor. Available is a range of windings including 3.5T to 8.5T modified and 10.5T to 21.5T stock variants.
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Are they ROAR approved? Or pending approval? Just curious!
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Are they ROAR approved? Or pending approval? Just curious!
They are ROAR approved.
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What are you setting the timing at for 13.5 12th scale?
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The ones we have seen at the track have seemed to be competitive. They have run with all the current top contenders. As we come through silly season I expect we will see them hanging around the top.
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What are you setting the timing at for 13.5 12th scale?
My timing is set at 40 degrees. Honestly, though, Paul set the timing when he sent the motor to me and I haven't touched it since. Every motor will have a timing value set when it ships, with the value determined by the testing done before shipping. You can obviously adjust timing if you would like, but the value that the motor ships with should be a pretty good starting point.
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They are ROAR approved.
I'm seeing the 21.5, 17.5, and 13.5 on the list, as well as the tuning rotors. But no 10.5 yet. Is the 10.5 going to be on the list?
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I'm seeing the 21.5, 17.5, and 13.5 on the list, as well as the tuning rotors. But no 10.5 yet. Is the 10.5 going to be on the list?
The Motiv 10.5T will be submitted to BRCA and EFRA, but ROAR submittal is still under discussion. Do you know of any racing series that use the ROAR list but disallow motors from the BRCA or EFRA lists?
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The Motiv 10.5T will be submitted to BRCA and EFRA, but ROAR submittal is still under discussion. Do you know of any racing series that use the ROAR list but disallow motors from the BRCA or EFRA lists?
The Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series goes by the ROAR motor approval list. However, last year an exception was made to allow motors that were on the BRCA list as well. To the best of my knowledge, this was a temporary exception. I will check into this further.

We run 10.5 non-boosted WGT in this series.
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I haven't had enough time to get the timing and rollout right on my 12th scale yet but I just cycled the motive/defy 1s packs and they are very strong... Great IR and run time
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I will be running a 21.5 in my f1 car and 17.5 in Stock tc this Saturday. I'm looking forward to trying them out. And the weight reduction is huge over r1 motors

17.5 motors available at www.gripworksrc.com

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The Western Canadian Indoor Championship Series goes by the ROAR motor approval list. However, last year an exception was made to allow motors that were on the BRCA list as well. To the best of my knowledge, this was a temporary exception. I will check into this further.

We run 10.5 non-boosted WGT in this series.
I just got conformation that motors that are on the BRCA OR ROAR list will be legal to use in the WCICS series moving forward.

Please let us know when the 10.5 is approved.
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I bought one of these motors and it looks great, and feels super strong. I won't get to run it until I get to the on-road nats, so hoping it will do well.
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Can anyone give numbers that I might expect to see for stator resistance and rotor strength? I'm interested in 17.5 and 13.5.
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Can anybody comment on the performance of the 13.5 compared to the likes of D4, R1, Team powers, etc?
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