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NEW FOR 2017 - MC2!

MOTIV M-Code motors, now MC2 for 2017, come pre-set to perform well in most applications. Each MOTIV M-Code motor comes with a specification check list specific to that individual motor. All MOTIV M-Code spec motors come standard with the new "S-HIGH" rotor. If you prefer a different rotor, please send an email via the "Contact Us" page on the Motiv site and reference your order.

Motiv dealers in the U.S. that have received MC2s are:

ProLevel RC
Fordham Hobbies
Lefthander RC
TQ RC Racing
Activ RC
Gripworks RC
Stormer Hobbies
AMain Hobbies
NorCal Hobbies

& More - Check your local hobby shop!

“Defy” Series Pro Li-Po battery weights

“Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 65c+ - 215 grams
“Thin Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 3900mah, 65c+ - 159 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 60c+ - 258 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 6000mah, 90c+ - 311 grams

Following are some suggested starting points for the MC2 line of motors for each class (we will update/add to this as often as possible). One key piece to pay attention to when adjusting your motor is Amp Draw. Try to keep spec motors around 3.0.

25.5 F1
FDR: 2.9-3.2
Timing: 42-45* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

25.5 USVTA
FDR: 3.6-3.9
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

21.5 USGT
FDR: 3.9-4.1
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.1-4.4
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 3.8-4.0
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 1/12
Rollout: 83-85mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

13.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.7-4.9
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 4.4-4.6
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 1/12
Rollout: 78-80mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

WGTR
Rollout: 73mm
Timing: 46
Rotor: S-MID for larger tracks. S-HIGH for smaller tracks, or tracks with black carpet.

17.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 5.85-6.0
Timing: 45-48*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 2WD SC & Stadium Truck
FDR: 7.5-7.8
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 4WD Buggy
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

Following are starting points for Mod motors in the MC1 line

7.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 10.2
Timing: @ 28*
Rotor: M-MID
Fan: Optional

5.5 TC
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: @ 30*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

4.5 TC
FDR: 7.6-7.8
Timing: @ 20*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

Every MOTIV Motor is hand checked, assembled and packaged by a professional in house at our WI, USA office. During this process every motor component must meet MOTIV requirements before assembly and packaging. Included is a specification check list which is filled out on a motor to motor basis all through the testing and assembly process to ensure the quality of our finished product


How its Made: Motiv RC Brushless Motor assembly w/ Paul Lemieux

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Old 09-07-2016, 05:25 AM   #286
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Thanks, I let Paul know after I received it, and I believe he's sent me an s-high rotor. Just takes a while to get to Australia!!



Awesome thanks for that. I'm still new to mod, brushless mod anyway. All the esc turbo and boost is confusing to me.

While I've got you, what would you start rollout for 1/12th mod? 3.5T, I'll probably run it initially in blinky (1S 3.1), it'll be at the same track.

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PM sent - Let's make sure we get the correct rotor to you & I'll work on getting some 1/12 Mod info for you as well.
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Thanks Schwarta,

I chatted with Paul about this. He said the motor should have come with the M-HIGH, not the M-MID as it seems you have received.

For your track, he thinks the Mid might not be so bad. He said the bottom will feel more like a 5.5 but the top will be good like a 4.5. He also said the timing is fine where it is and that he would actually try it like it is to start.

On the XR10 from the initial settings he suggested the following:

10-15 Boost Timing
20-30 Turbo Timing (to adjust power at top end)
Turbo Timing Activation should be at full throttle
7.5 FDR
Drag Brake is personal preference, but make sure your Initial Brake is ≥ Drag Brake by at least 1.
Punch should be around 6 or 7
Be sure to disable any voltage or heat cutoffs
If it gets hot, drop the Turbo Increase Rate from 12% every .1 sec to 6%

Paul actually departs for ROAR Paved Nats today but said he'd be happy to help if you have any further questions related to any of the above. Just shoot me a PM.
That all sounds pretty reasonable for a big track running Mod TC. I'll add that although drag brake is something you'll want to play with most people I see are running 15-18%. Sometimes a bit more or less so don't think you're doing it wrong if it's not in that range.

Also, I prefer the "brake control" set to "traditional" with that ESC. This is definitely a personal preference but give it a try if you have time.
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Thanks for the info. The S High is all that appears legal under BRCA rules in the UK.
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I see that Paul Worsley is the POC on that PDF, so I'm going to email him to get a little clarification on this. I'll let you know what he says.
Hey BKUK,

Below is Paul Worsley's response to my email. Hope this helps.

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Hello Robbie,

I can explain the situation.

When I first received motor samples to approve in July 2015, the samples had rotors marked as S-MID.
But there were no Rotor Part Numbers or Manufacturer name shown, so they could not be accepted.

In June 2016, David Spashett finally got these details sorted.
I received pictures of the rotors identified correctly and accepted the approval based on the pictures.
David stated that all Spec. motors that he would be bringing into UK would have the MOV1315 rotor fitted.
David stated there was no need to add any optional rotors to the list.

So, I assume that David does not stock any optional rotors.

Best regards,
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That all sounds pretty reasonable for a big track running Mod TC. I'll add that although drag brake is something you'll want to play with most people I see are running 15-18%. Sometimes a bit more or less so don't think you're doing it wrong if it's not in that range.

Also, I prefer the "brake control" set to "traditional" with that ESC. This is definitely a personal preference but give it a try if you have time.
Hey Troy, thanks for the info! Also, thanks for updating the Wikipost with the Motiv DEFY info!
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Hey Troy, thanks for the info! Also, thanks for updating the Wikipost with the Motiv DEFY info!

No problem. I'm just missing the 1s LiPo weight so if anyone has it I'd be glad to post that too.
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Hey BKUK,

Below is Paul Worsley's response to my email. Hope this helps.
Thanks for finding out the info much appreciated. It seems strange considering the Mid is recommended for 1/12 and Zen racing are primarily a 1/12 distributor. We don't race on the black carpet so from your comments I struggle to see why the High rotor is the only one to choose. Hmmmm
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That all sounds pretty reasonable for a big track running Mod TC. I'll add that although drag brake is something you'll want to play with most people I see are running 15-18%. Sometimes a bit more or less so don't think you're doing it wrong if it's not in that range.

Also, I prefer the "brake control" set to "traditional" with that ESC. This is definitely a personal preference but give it a try if you have time.
Thanks Troy, I'll try it out.
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While I've got you, what would you start rollout for 1/12th mod? 3.5T, I'll probably run it initially in blinky (1S 3.1), it'll be at the same track.
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I'll work on getting some 1/12 Mod info for you as well.
Start at 32.5 to 33 mmpr with 15-20 degrees of timing on the motor.
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Can some one direct me to the wiki link? I cannot seem to find it. Thanks
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It's at the top of this page.
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Any ideas on gearing for an M Code 21.5 in a touring car? As a guide I am running FDR of 2.78 with a Fantom FR-1 set at 48 degrees actual timing in an Awesomatix A800. In my A700 I run a FDR of 2.85 using either the FR-1 or a Trinity 24K 21.5 with actual timing of 46 degrees. (Timing is as per my motorlyzer). Motors come off around 60c after a run I have been running my 13.5 in the A800 at a FDR of 4 but the motor was coming off at around 40c without a fan.
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Any ideas on gearing for an M Code 21.5 in a touring car? As a guide I am running FDR of 2.78 with a Fantom FR-1 set at 48 degrees actual timing in an Awesomatix A800. In my A700 I run a FDR of 2.85 using either the FR-1 or a Trinity 24K 21.5 with actual timing of 46 degrees. (Timing is as per my motorlyzer). Motors come off around 60c after a run I have been running my 13.5 in the A800 at a FDR of 4 but the motor was coming off at around 40c without a fan.
Hi nexxus,

Sounds like your track is pretty big. I'm not really familiar with the Fantom or the 24K, and I've only run the 21.5 in TC once on an 80x36' carpet track last October, so my experience with it is limited. I would suggest starting around the same gear in practice and keep an eye on temps. Check it every 2-3 minutes just to be safe.

I've never felt like the M-Code needs to run hot to make good power but 40c sounds really cold for your 13.5. Mine would typically run about 75-80c in the summer months geared at 4.3 with 50* actual timing on a 120x60' parking lot track with a fan.

I would welcome any input from any of our guys that have more experience with the 21.5, but either way I hope this helps
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Well out of the box it's nowhere near a 24k, can't see it being competitive like this!
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what timing are those motors at?

in 17.5 I found the motiv similar to the 24k in performance.

my 24k had more power at the start with fading at the end, with a friends motiv running more consistent throughout the run and more power at the end - that's dependent on timing and gearing of course.

For 21.5 I liked the motiv around 52* on the can, I'd gear it up. 40c is too cold for it to be going fast. No 21.5 24k to compare with at the time.
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Well out of the box it's nowhere near a 24k, can't see it being competitive like this!
By your amp draw there is not a apple to apple comparison right there. So all things are not equal.
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