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NEW FOR 2017 - MC2!

MOTIV M-Code motors, now MC2 for 2017, come pre-set to perform well in most applications. Each MOTIV M-Code motor comes with a specification check list specific to that individual motor. All MOTIV M-Code spec motors come standard with the new "S-HIGH" rotor. If you prefer a different rotor, please send an email via the "Contact Us" page on the Motiv site and reference your order.

Motiv dealers in the U.S. that have received MC2s are:

ProLevel RC
Fordham Hobbies
Lefthander RC
TQ RC Racing
Activ RC
Gripworks RC
Stormer Hobbies
AMain Hobbies
NorCal Hobbies

& More - Check your local hobby shop!

“Defy” Series Pro Li-Po battery weights

“Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 65c+ - 215 grams
“Thin Shorty” 2 Cell, 7.4v, 3900mah, 65c+ - 159 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 5000mah, 60c+ - 258 grams
2 Cell, 7.4v, 6000mah, 90c+ - 311 grams

Following are some suggested starting points for the MC2 line of motors for each class (we will update/add to this as often as possible). One key piece to pay attention to when adjusting your motor is Amp Draw. Try to keep spec motors around 3.0.

25.5 F1
FDR: 2.9-3.2
Timing: 42-45* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

25.5 USVTA
FDR: 3.6-3.9
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: 12.3mm standard
Fan: Yes

21.5 USGT
FDR: 3.9-4.1
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.1-4.4
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 3.8-4.0
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 1/12
Rollout: 83-85mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

13.5 TC (Indoor/Small-Std. size Tracks)
FDR: 4.7-4.9
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 TC (Outdoor/Larger Tracks)
FDR: 4.4-4.6
Timing: 46-48* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 1/12
Rollout: 78-80mm
Timing: 44-46* measured on Motolyser
Rotor: S-MID
Fan: No

WGTR
Rollout: 73mm
Timing: 46
Rotor: S-MID for larger tracks. S-HIGH for smaller tracks, or tracks with black carpet.

17.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 5.85-6.0
Timing: 45-48*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

17.5 2WD SC & Stadium Truck
FDR: 7.5-7.8
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

13.5 4WD Buggy
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: 45-47*
Rotor: S-HIGH
Fan: Yes

Following are starting points for Mod motors in the MC1 line

7.5 2WD Buggy
FDR: 10.2
Timing: @ 28*
Rotor: M-MID
Fan: Optional

5.5 TC
FDR: 7.0-7.2
Timing: @ 30*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

4.5 TC
FDR: 7.6-7.8
Timing: @ 20*
Rotor: M-HIGH
Fan: Optional

Every MOTIV Motor is hand checked, assembled and packaged by a professional in house at our WI, USA office. During this process every motor component must meet MOTIV requirements before assembly and packaging. Included is a specification check list which is filled out on a motor to motor basis all through the testing and assembly process to ensure the quality of our finished product


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Old 09-05-2016, 11:09 PM   #271
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In that case, check your car's drivetrain(rotational mass+ friction), battery, tires, body drag, setup, etc.... Also the straight must have been over 130feet then... In that case, you'll need to go in the 2.9fdr/42 degree timing if your motor has so much torque... My suggestion was for 100 foot straights(indoor carpet) or less... Your motor is very good then, and needs crazy gearing to go crazy fast...49 degrees is usually close to the timing limit...
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I did lower the timing and just whent even slower. Had lots of bottom end no top. Having a 3.2 fdr and the timing 49deg. It was faster. Another person had a high torque rotor had similar set up and had more top end. Also didn't have much time for testing.
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Thank you everyone for providing assistance & feedback to Miguel. Jake is spot on, it seems the spec motors really like the High rotor in all TC applications. Recently, one of our team drivers ran 17.5 at Timezone GP and his settings were the following:

53* timing, high rotor, 3.65 FDR - Temp around 170F

He stated that 3.54 FDR was good also, but faded slightly towards the end. Temp was around 185F
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Similar experiences with my 21.5 at timezone this weekend.
As far as I can tell this motor excells on carpet with tight tracks. It's extremely smooth and the tolerances are like no other. Not to mention it's one of the lightest motors out there.
That being said I had an r1 in my 17.5 at another asphalt track that was not so big and the motiv was holding its own in the car ahead of me.
I'm sure there is a way to make it work on these bigger tracks. It's just hard to find that sweet spot.
Alex, was this 21.5 in a USGT car? If so, which rotor were you using, what FDR & timing. I am trying to decide on a USGT motor and your message has me wanting to use the Motiv.
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I notice on the wiki, for a 4.5t, with high rotor in tc, the motor should have about 20° of timing? Mine incorrectly came with the mid rotor (the high is on the way) but almost 30° timing? Should I drop the timing to 20 when the high rotor comes?

Also, I'll be running outdoors on a mid grip asphalt, large nitro track, any suggestions for Esc settings?
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I notice on the wiki, for a 4.5t, with high rotor in tc, the motor should have about 20° of timing? Mine incorrectly came with the mid rotor (the high is on the way) but almost 30° timing? Should I drop the timing to 20 when the high rotor comes?

Also, I'll be running outdoors on a mid grip asphalt, large nitro track, any suggestions for Esc settings?
What speedo are you running?

I am thinking you'll want to drop the timing. I'm working on getting thecorrect answer from Paul on this for you though.
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What speedo are you running?

I am thinking you'll want to drop the timing. I'm working on getting thecorrect answer from Paul on this for you though.
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In that case, check your car's drivetrain(rotational mass+ friction), battery, tires, body drag, setup, etc.... Also the straight must have been over 130feet then... In that case, you'll need to go in the 2.9fdr/42 degree timing if your motor has so much torque... My suggestion was for 100 foot straights(indoor carpet) or less... Your motor is very good then, and needs crazy gearing to go crazy fast...49 degrees is usually close to the timing limit...
240 foot straight with high speed sweeper!
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What rollout do you guys think as a starting point for the 13.5 S High in 1/12. Was thinking 78 - 80?
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XR10.

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Thanks Schwarta,

I chatted with Paul about this. He said the motor should have come with the M-HIGH, not the M-MID as it seems you have received.

For your track, he thinks the Mid might not be so bad. He said the bottom will feel more like a 5.5 but the top will be good like a 4.5. He also said the timing is fine where it is and that he would actually try it like it is to start.

On the XR10 from the initial settings he suggested the following:

10-15 Boost Timing
20-30 Turbo Timing (to adjust power at top end)
Turbo Timing Activation should be at full throttle
7.5 FDR
Drag Brake is personal preference, but make sure your Initial Brake is ≥ Drag Brake by at least 1.
Punch should be around 6 or 7
Be sure to disable any voltage or heat cutoffs
If it gets hot, drop the Turbo Increase Rate from 12% every .1 sec to 6%

Paul actually departs for ROAR Paved Nats today but said he'd be happy to help if you have any further questions related to any of the above. Just shoot me a PM.
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What rollout do you guys think as a starting point for the 13.5 S High in 1/12. Was thinking 78 - 80?


Hi BKUK,

I really would not recommend the S-High for 1/12 unless you are running on the new black carpet, even then I would still lean towards the S-Mid rotor. That said, if the S-High is all you have I think you would want to gear up and time down from what we would run with the S-Mid. From what I recall, this is what the team did to get the High rotor to work at Snowbirds and MHIC. I would probably start around 87-90mm rollout with 38-40 timing. Please be sure to check temps often your first few runs & just keep an eye on your laptimes through the full 8 minutes.

Please feel free to share what you find when you test!
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Wikipost has been updated to add WGTR (Thanks Adam!) and cleaned up a little.

tbrymer - I have not replaced bearings yet but would assume the LRP tool would work fine. If you still need assistance with this, please let me know.

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Hi BKUK,

I really would not recommend the S-High for 1/12 unless you are running on the new black carpet, even then I would still lean towards the S-Mid rotor. That said, if the S-High is all you have I think you would want to gear up and time down from what we would run with the S-Mid. From what I recall, this is what the team did to get the High rotor to work at Snowbirds and MHIC. I would probably start around 87-90mm rollout with 38-40 timing. Please be sure to check temps often your first few runs & just keep an eye on your laptimes through the full 8 minutes.

Please feel free to share what you find when you test!
Thanks for the info. The S High is all that appears legal under BRCA rules in the UK. I think the default timing is 47. If you can please explain the relationship between timing and gearing with different rotors, trying to understand what happens with the variables. Many thanks.
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Thanks for the info. The S High is all that appears legal under BRCA rules in the UK. I think the default timing is 47. If you can please explain the relationship between timing and gearing with different rotors, trying to understand what happens with the variables. Many thanks.
I see, that seems kind of strange to me. I see that Paul Worsley is the POC on that PDF, so I'm going to email him to get a little clarification on this. I'll let you know what he says.

The high rotor has more magnet strength which will generate more torque so we gear up. This makes more heat and fade more over the run, so to try to minimize heat/fade we were reducing timing.
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Thanks Schwarta,

I chatted with Paul about this. He said the motor should have come with the M-HIGH, not the M-MID as it seems you have received.

For your track, he thinks the Mid might not be so bad. He said the bottom will feel more like a 5.5 but the top will be good like a 4.5. He also said the timing is fine where it is and that he would actually try it like it is to start.
Thanks, I let Paul know after I received it, and I believe he's sent me an s-high rotor. Just takes a while to get to Australia!!

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On the XR10 from the initial settings he suggested the following:

10-15 Boost Timing
20-30 Turbo Timing (to adjust power at top end)
Turbo Timing Activation should be at full throttle
7.5 FDR
Drag Brake is personal preference, but make sure your Initial Brake is ≥ Drag Brake by at least 1.
Punch should be around 6 or 7
Be sure to disable any voltage or heat cutoffs
If it gets hot, drop the Turbo Increase Rate from 12% every .1 sec to 6%

Paul actually departs for ROAR Paved Nats today but said he'd be happy to help if you have any further questions related to any of the above. Just shoot me a PM.
Awesome thanks for that. I'm still new to mod, brushless mod anyway. All the esc turbo and boost is confusing to me.

While I've got you, what would you start rollout for 1/12th mod? 3.5T, I'll probably run it initially in blinky (1S 3.1), it'll be at the same track.

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