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Welcome to the XRAY T4'16 Thread & Wikipost! Here you will find some useful info, tips and tricks as well as setups that are used by several team drivers. This wikipost is a work in progress and should continue to develop over time.

Tips & Tricks:

Alex Hagberg's Tech Tip Tuesday articles

How to mount your Protoform LTC-R Body
Setting static camber
How to mount weight on your chassis Part1
How to mount the rear wing on Protoform bodies
Simple troubleshooting guide
How to mount the battery on your chassis
How to glue your front tires for CRC Black carpet with Eric Anderson
Utilizing Exponential and RMode on the M12S
How to mount weight on your chassis Part2

Team driver Tim Wahl posted some very useful tips on Facebook as he worked through building a new kit.

1- Carbon Parts
2-Suspension
3-Solid Axle and Differential
4-Bulkheads & Drivetrain
5-Driveshaft (ECS & CVD)
6-Front & Rear Suspension
7-Tweak
8-Anti-Roll Bar
9-Battery Fix (OPTIONAL)
10-Bumper & Body
11-Shocks
12-Steering

New Graphite Hubs:
Xray have recently released some additional Graphite hubs for the T4 lineup. The 4° Graphite C-Hub has been out for some time and is known to improve steering on entry, and in general makes the car turn better. This has been the go-to c-hub on asphalt for many on the Xray team, though it is not needed on high bite carpet. The Graphite rear hub tends to make the car more stable, especially on corner entry. We are still working on gathering input on the new Graphite steering block, but for the moment feel that it should improve steering response. All Graphite parts are approximately 1g lighter than the Hard or Medium options.

Option Parts to consider:
XRA301196 T4 Graphite Upper Deck 1.6mm V2
XRA301226 Foam Bumper – Hard - highly recommend
XRA302165 Composite Front Suspension Arm 2-Hole – Hard
XRA302169 Composite Front Suspension Arm 1-Hole – Graphite
XRA302803 1.3mm Front Anti-Roll Bar
XRA303169 Composite Rear Suspension Arm 1-Hole – Graphite
XRA303802 1.2mm Rear Anti-Roll Bar
XRA305137 Steel Solid Axle Driveshaft Adapters - HUDY Spring Steel - highly recommend
XRA305242 Composite Drive Shaft Replacement Cap 3.5mm – Orange – Strong (QTY 4)
XRA305351 Aluminum Wheel Hub – Offset “-0.75mm” – Black (QTY 2)
XRA306191 T4 Graphite + Aluminum Fully Adjustable Battery Holder
XRA308264 4S Spring-Set Progressive C=2.5-2.8 (QTY 2)
XRA308276 4S Spring-Set C=2.7 (QTY 2)
XRA308286 4S Spring-Set C=2.6 (QTY 2)
Specific to Asphalt:
XRA302383 Composite C-Hub Right – 4* - Graphite (ECS)
XRA302384 Composite C-Hub Left – 4* - Graphite (ECS)
XRA308039 Aluminum Progressive Shock System – Set (QTY 2)

Specific to Carpet:

XRA301141 T4 Aluminum Flex Chassis 2mm
XRA302375 Composite C-Hub Right – 6* - Hard ***Modification may be required if they don't have the "ECS" stamp.

XRA302376 Composite C-Hub Left – 6* - Hard ***Modification may be required if they don't have the "ECS" stamp.

XRA303711-O Aluminum Rear Lower Suspension Holder – Front – RF
Recent Setups:
3 July 2016 - Alex Hagberg - European Championship - Asphalt - Mod - 2nd
3 July 2016 - Bruno Coelho - European Championship - Asphalt - Mod - 4th
3 July 2016 - Jan Ratheisky - European Championship - Asphalt - 13.5 - TQ + Win

29 June 2016 - Max Kuenning - Reedy - Asphalt - Mod - 4th
29 June 2016 - Keith Yu - Reedy - Asphalt - 13.5 - TQ + 2nd
29 June 2016 - Eric Anderson - Reedy - Asphalt - 13.5 - 3rd

15 May 2016 - Bruno Coelho - ETS Rd 4 Riccione - Asphalt - Mod - TQ + Win
15 May 2016 - Mattia Collina - ETS Rd 4 Riccione - Asphalt - 13.5 - Win

17 April 2016 - Max Kuenning - MHIC - Carpet - Mod - 4th

10 April 2016 - Bruno Coelho - ETS Rd 3 Wels - Carpet - Mod - 2nd
10 April 2016 - Alex Hagberg - ETS Rd 3 Wels - Carpet - Mod - 4th
10 April 2016 - Jan Ratheisky - ETS Rd 3 Wels - Carpet - 13.5 - TQ + Win

22 March 2016 - Paul LeMieux - Canadian Nats - Carpet - Mod - TQ + Win
22 March 2016 - Luke Pittman - Canadian Nats - Carpet - Mod - 3rd

6 March 2016 - Chris Adams - ROAR Nats - Carpet - Mod - TQ + Win
6 March 2016 - Craig Xavier - ROAR Nats - Carpet - 17.5 - 4th
6 March 2016 - Eric Anderson - ROAR Nats - Carpet - 17.5 - 5th

6 February 2016 - Bruno Coelho - ETS Rd 2 Koblenz - Carpet - Mod - TQ + Win
6 February 2016 - Alex Hagberg - ETS Rd 2 Koblenz - Carpet - Mod - 2nd

31 January 2016 - Alex Hagberg - Snowbirds - Carpet - Mod - TQ + Win
31 January 2016 - Jan Ratheisky - Snowbirds - Carpet - All - See Comments
31 January 2016 - Drew Ellis - Snowbirds - Carpet - 13.5 - 4th
31 January 2016 - Robbie Dodge - Snowbirds - Carpet - 17.5 - Win

13 December 2015 - Bruno Coelho - ETS Rd 1 Hrotovice - Carpet - Mod - 3rd
13 December 2015 - Alex Hagberg - ETS Rd 1 Hrotovice - Carpet - Mod - 4th
13 December 2015 - Olly Jeffries - ETS Rd 1 Hrotovice - Carpet - Mod - 7th
13 December 2015 - Jan Ratheisky - ETS Rd 1 Hrotovice - Carpet - 13.5 - TQ + Win

29 November 2015 - Paul LeMieux - US Indoor Champs - Carpet - Mod - TQ + Win

25 October 2015 - Eric Anderson - Stock Wars - Carpet - 17.5 - 2nd

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Old 07-07-2015, 03:49 PM   #16
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Since I'm getting grief on the side for not being bold enough, how about this:

A nicer finish on the aluminum parts. I'd like to see a finish (even if it's orange anodized afterwards) like Avid did on their chassis. Similar to how Apple treats the aluminum on its laptops.

A return to silver that has a finish like Apple's products would be awesome. Orange is hideous.
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Since I'm getting grief on the side for not being bold enough, how about this:

A nicer finish on the aluminum parts. I'd like to see a finish (even if it's orange anodized afterwards) like Avid did on their chassis. Similar to how Apple treats the aluminum on its laptops.

A return to silver that has a finish like Apple's products would be awesome. Orange is hideous.
Finally, the Orange needs to go.
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what car are you talking about?
It was a conversion we did back with the '13 car. I made some aluminum chassis' for them this year and brought the car out of retirement a couple of months back. It was 3-4 seconds faster over a 6 minute run over my car with the xray 14-15 suspension mounts with the same exact set up and equipment.
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Damper tubes.
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It was a conversion we did back with the '13 car. I made some aluminum chassis' for them this year and brought the car out of retirement a couple of months back. It was 3-4 seconds faster over a 6 minute run over my car with the xray 14-15 suspension mounts with the same exact set up and equipment.
I have that aluminum chassis from Reflex with the RX4 suspension mounts but the rest of the car is '15 spec (except the servo mount). I'm tempted to ask for a hard carbon 2.25mm version too because I don't plan to retire the car anytime soon and that may be a great option to have. Basically I've been using the pivot ball RX4 conversion in one form or another since it came out.
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Just hope the shocks/springs, arms, diff/spools and swaybars stay the same.....The ARS could be an option sold seperately, and the ECS's could be standard.
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+1, the ARS is rarely used (only at the occasional track), but most drivers use ECSs. I don't imagine they cost much more to manufacture than standard shafts.
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This time a 2016 version is not neccessary (in myopinion).
Aftermarket tuning parts from Spec-R, for example the motor mount, made a difference in feeling, but many drivers returned to the original.
What could be an improvement are shortened Spur gear bulkheads. Other than that and the above mentioned ECS the car is nearly perfect. Maybe a material change for the shock bladders would be nice as the swell quite fast.
I am not sure if these small improvements would justify a 2016 version. Lets see what they have in the pipeline...
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I just ask that they seriously consider including the new ecs shafts in the kit WITHOUT increasing kit price.
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I want pillow balls inside the suspension mounts. My RX4-13 was still faster than my '14/15 car with the only difference being the suspension mounts. The car has much more steering when used with the pillow balls.
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Since I'm getting grief on the side for not being bold enough, how about this:

A nicer finish on the aluminum parts. I'd like to see a finish (even if it's orange anodized afterwards) like Avid did on their chassis. Similar to how Apple treats the aluminum on its laptops.

A return to silver that has a finish like Apple's products would be awesome. Orange is hideous.
Yeah! What he said.

And iTunes. I want iTunes on Xrays. Everything should have iTunes.

Everything is awesome!
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I'll play. How about a T4'16 carpet edition that includes the following:

Aluminum chassis on par with aftermarket options
Thicker/harder top deck
HD ECS
Graphite arms, with 2 hole in front
Solid servo mount that doesn't extend beyond the back of a shorty servo (ie RADTEC)
Xray's sweet battery retaining system
Solid R/F, split F/R blocks (opposite of current option)
No ARS, spend that money on other upgrades
That would be a 'high grip carpet' edition, not just a 'carpet edition'

Pillow ball suspension would be interesting as it's one of those things that manufactures moved away from some time ago, perhaps with the changes and advances since it might be even better.

Does anyone know why manufactures moved away from it in the first place?
P.S. I like the orange.
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That would be a 'high grip carpet' edition, not just a 'carpet edition'

Pillow ball suspension would be interesting as it's one of those things that manufactures moved away from some time ago, perhaps with the changes and advances since it might be even better.

Does anyone know why manufactures moved away from it in the first place?
P.S. I like the orange.
Manufacturing more expensive.

I imagine precision machining a spheric blind hole is more difficult than machining a hole whatever its profile and then moulding some plastic to fit in. Also the ball hinges. Look at the first Xray floating servo mount. It had a machined locating dowel on the bottom. They moved to a three screw mount because it's easier to drill three holes and thread them than machining all that metal to leave behind a protruding dowel.

Come to think of it, I don't like the Xray split blocks. They're the only one left on the market that doesn't have three point location. Tamiya gave up the two screw system after they used it only on the TRF418 because of its inherent locating problems. Xray might want to rethink this idea, and perhaps go back to their previous system.
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That would be a 'high grip carpet' edition, not just a 'carpet edition'

Pillow ball suspension would be interesting as it's one of those things that manufactures moved away from some time ago, perhaps with the changes and advances since it might be even better.

Does anyone know why manufactures moved away from it in the first place?
P.S. I like the orange.
Damian just to clarify, I did not mean pillow ball style suspension without hingepins. but rather the little ones that go on the end of hingpins. Like every other car out there :P

Lightweight pillow ball suspension would be interesting though.
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Damian just to clarify, I did not mean pillow ball style suspension without hingepins. but rather the little ones that go on the end of hingpins. Like every other car out there :P

Lightweight pillow ball suspension would be interesting though.
Ah, a case of 'crossed wires'

I'm not a fan of the pillow balls on the pins as it's one more thing to wear out and have to maintain with grease etc.
I had your RX4 conversion and whilst it worked well (though not any better on the tracks I ran), it was a pain the arse to maintain
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How about a Flux Capacitor?? Lol!
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T4 2016 or HPI Pro 5, both coming soon. Those are my serious choices.
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I asked Hagberg this direct at AOC a few weeks back. He said he wasn't sure what could be an inclusion as he wasn't running any prototype parts and he wasn't aware of anything in the pipeline.

He laughed when I suggested maybe PSS shocks!
Maybe the upgrade will be a 10% raise in price.
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