Would you?.......pay someone to build or setup you car?
02-11-2015, 02:01 AM
#16
Never...
02-11-2015, 02:11 AM
#17
Touring car: No... Never.
Only due to how I race that regularly and I need to know the car very well for repairs.
12th Scale: I built it but I'll get a friend to look over it and set it up for me. I only race it 2 times a year and it's not worth my time trying to learn about that car.
Only due to how I race that regularly and I need to know the car very well for repairs.
12th Scale: I built it but I'll get a friend to look over it and set it up for me. I only race it 2 times a year and it's not worth my time trying to learn about that car.
02-11-2015, 04:55 AM
#18
I somewhat disagree with most of you guys. Personally I'm the type that like the trial and error method to fully understand the concept. I understand that for some, there really isn't time to mess around with the car. Something I learned pretty fast is that some setups may not work with other drivers due to different driving styles. When I first started this hobby, I was completely clueless with chassis dynamics. If time permitted, I would ask someone to drive my car and have them tell me what kind of adjustments should be required and why. I would then incorporate the said adjustments and compare with the previous adjustments. Just like in life it takes a little dedication in order to achieve the desired outcome. BTW I'm not bashing on your thread J. I understand you have time constraints (family)that prevents you from spending time on your car. At least you know your priorities. Next time your at the track, ask someone to explain and/or help you set up your car. Lastly another thing I learned in life, "if you want something done right, you'll have to do it yourself."
At the same time though I will NEVER say anything to or about the guy who can not or will not build his own kit. Not only do I work on real cars but also work at a hobby shop at night, so any who works on their own cars (real or r/c), I don't make money off of.
02-11-2015, 05:19 AM
#19
I agree to an extent, I also love the build. And I would probably never pay someone to do the initial build. I love to build and tinker, I am an auto mechanic for a living. But the kit setup usually is not that great and spending the time to get it right is frustrating and I would pay somebody in a second to do the setup, or even rebuild shocks(which I hate) but never a diff, I do my own diffs, but also a few guys have asked me to build diffs for them because I do it right.
At the same time though I will NEVER say anything to or about the guy who can not or will not build his own kit. Not only do I work on real cars but also work at a hobby shop at night, so any who works on their own cars (real or r/c), I don't make money off of.
At the same time though I will NEVER say anything to or about the guy who can not or will not build his own kit. Not only do I work on real cars but also work at a hobby shop at night, so any who works on their own cars (real or r/c), I don't make money off of.
Building your kit and setting it up are not necessarily two different things.
If you do your research before you buy your kit, you know whether the kit setup is a good starting point or if a specific team driver or local track guy setup is the way to go. You then just build the kit according to the chosen setup.
I mean, RC is so much disassembling/assembling your car, maintaining, repairing, adjusting etc., and if you already have the munches just by the outlook of building the kit, maybe RC is not the way to go.
Like considering go swimming, but don't like getting wet.
02-11-2015, 05:58 AM
#20
The exceptions being those who physically cannot do for themselves. I am more than happy to help them. And I would never charge them for it. Also the true new kid. But in this case it should be done as a learning experience so they can understand the car and hobby. In these cases, whether its a kid or an adult, they would ask for help building versus just giving it to someone else to do it for them.
In todays age of RTR's, cheap brushless and LiPo, the instant gratification culture is taking over R/C. Most of the people who would pay someone to build a car for them also would'nt have clue on how to do a trackside repair or replace a part. These are also generally the drivers that give the most aggrevation at the track.
02-11-2015, 06:17 AM
#21
That swim analogy is not fitting here. In real motor sports the drivers seldom if ever work on their own cars. I never did my own taxes, nor did I ever build my home or diagnose my injuries. In sports you have hitting coaches, strength and condition guys and nutritionist. The reason I'm mentioning this is you seldom pick up things WELL on your own. Sure with enough time and dedication you'll do it. But the initial lesson is usually a rough ride.
Besides....a man gotta know his limitations.
Besides....a man gotta know his limitations.
02-11-2015, 06:26 AM
#22
People have been paying other people to build and set up their cars since the beginning of RC racing. But it does depend on who is building the car.
Yes, I would have someone build and setup a car for me. Then I would take a close look at what he did and get an understanding of what he did and why. I think you would learn much more that way than trial an error on your own.
Another closely kept secret? Yes, a lot of people will help you if your setup is way off, but no on gives away all their secrets.
Yes, I would have someone build and setup a car for me. Then I would take a close look at what he did and get an understanding of what he did and why. I think you would learn much more that way than trial an error on your own.
Another closely kept secret? Yes, a lot of people will help you if your setup is way off, but no on gives away all their secrets.
02-11-2015, 07:10 AM
#23
Just because people like the "building" part of a new kit - does not mean it is done right.
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
02-11-2015, 08:23 AM
#24
Just because people like the "building" part of a new kit - does not mean it is done right.
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
02-11-2015, 08:43 AM
#25
I personally would not. I enjoy the build too much. Plus I am too OCD when doing my builds. I do however get paid by others to build and setup their cars on occasions. And it's usually because they know they wont have the time to do it and they know I will do a good job and not cut any corners.
02-11-2015, 08:44 AM
#26
Some cars drive very well with the kit setup, e.g. Xray T4'15.
Building your kit and setting it up are not necessarily two different things.
If you do your research before you buy your kit, you know whether the kit setup is a good starting point or if a specific team driver or local track guy setup is the way to go. You then just build the kit according to the chosen setup.
I mean, RC is so much disassembling/assembling your car, maintaining, repairing, adjusting etc., and if you already have the munches just by the outlook of building the kit, maybe RC is not the way to go.
Like considering go swimming, but don't like getting wet.
Building your kit and setting it up are not necessarily two different things.
If you do your research before you buy your kit, you know whether the kit setup is a good starting point or if a specific team driver or local track guy setup is the way to go. You then just build the kit according to the chosen setup.
I mean, RC is so much disassembling/assembling your car, maintaining, repairing, adjusting etc., and if you already have the munches just by the outlook of building the kit, maybe RC is not the way to go.
Like considering go swimming, but don't like getting wet.
I think I know a little bit about the aspects of the hobby. I have been doing it for 30 years.
02-11-2015, 08:51 AM
#28
Just because people like the "building" part of a new kit - does not mean it is done right.
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
You may think it is done right because you followed the instructions .. yet there is more to it than that. Experience plays a part in this. Do you have air in your shocks? Do you know what a good diff feels like? Do you have the right tools .. shock pliers perhaps? Are you ready to tear apart that diff you just built two seconds ago because you did not build it right? Do you even know it's not right?
Not all pro-level drivers build there own kits. There are plenty of pros that have mechanics (and they are paid).
The absolute best advice I can give is ... find someone with experience that will build the kit with you, side by side. They can explain their methods, what to look for and how to make sure it is done properly.
Even if your a seasoned builder, what would you pay for Volker, Hagburg, etc .. to sit down with you and build you kit with you ...
There is much more to it than just putting it together as the instructions say. So many little things you can do to improve the car if you know about them. Those are the things the pro's are doing. Yes their cars may be relatively stock, but they didn't just slap it together as the instructions say.
02-11-2015, 09:09 AM
#29
I am not the best at set up. And if I could pay someone to take my car, drive it see what it needs, and continually make changes then drive till its "perfect" then I drive it and tell them what I want the car to do for my driving style I would GLADLY do it. I have more money than I have time and patience, so for me its no big deal to spread some wealth, learn a few things and help out another driver and hopefully end up with faster laps because of it. Unfortunately there is no one around that offers that service, so I end up learning and doing all myself. Which is fine, I would rather just pay somebody. When you get married and you and your wife both have good jobs and some throw away money every week you will understand. Its not that I cant, I just don't want to and if I could pay someone else to do it for me..............
I think I know a little bit about the aspects of the hobby. I have been doing it for 30 years.
I think I know a little bit about the aspects of the hobby. I have been doing it for 30 years.
02-11-2015, 09:25 AM
#30
That swim analogy is not fitting here. In real motor sports the drivers seldom if ever work on their own cars. I never did my own taxes, nor did I ever build my home or diagnose my injuries. In sports you have hitting coaches, strength and condition guys and nutritionist. The reason I'm mentioning this is you seldom pick up things WELL on your own. Sure with enough time and dedication you'll do it. But the initial lesson is usually a rough ride.
Besides....a man gotta know his limitations.
Besides....a man gotta know his limitations.
And that is because RC tech wise is low tech, compared to e.g. F1 racing, where the mechanics are more or less skilled engineers. You would have to give Hamilton three university degrees in order for him to be able to just begin working on his own car.
Let's not make a build rocket science. You certainly doesn't need a university degree to build a kit.
Best advice is to read the dedicated thread on rctech.net and then build.