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Old 12-17-2014, 07:28 AM   #16
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Rubber tires - WD 40 (mostly fish oil), Clean as soon as you're done marshalling, let dry, wipe again then sauce lightly with compound 5 minutes prior to wheels down.

Foam Tires - Ronsonol (30% naphtha), Clean as soon as you're done marshalling, let dry or use lighter to flash off the last of the cleaner, Sauce lightly 7 to 10 minutes prior to wheels down.

Major issue I've seen is too much sauce and too early. It leaves the tires gummy.
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Lighter Fluid contains naptha alcohol, as does Wurth's, which should evaporate off the tyres after being applied.

If you have doubts, perhaps you could try using the lighter fluid to clean the tyres, then clean again using the tyre sauce.
Wipe the sauce off and leave until you want to apply the additive proper to use for the race.
Lighter fluid is 97% Mineral Spirits.
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I used 3812 reducer the last race day on my VTA(HPI Rubber) and found them to be very consistent. Using Mineral spirits(Lighter fluid)did the trick but its such a slow evaporating solvent it seemed to sometimes get stuck in the sauce. IMO
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I used to use this:

http://demonpowerproducts.co.uk/prod...roducts_id=270
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Lighter fluid is 97% Mineral Spirits.
Both wrong, it is a petroleum distillate.

From the MSDS: 70% light hydrotreated distillate and 30% hydrotreated light naphtha.
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I used 3812 reducer the last race day on my VTA(HPI Rubber) and found them to be very consistent. Using Mineral spirits(Lighter fluid)did the trick but its such a slow evaporating solvent it seemed to sometimes get stuck in the sauce. IMO
That stuff is baaaaad for you!

From the 3812 MSDS:

============= Composition/Information on Ingredients =============

Ingred Name:ISOPROPANOL (ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL), 2-PROPANOL, DIMETHYL
CARBINOL
CAS:67-63-0
RTECS #:NT8050000
Other REC Limits:400 PPM
OSHA PEL:400 PPM
ACGIH TLV:400 PPM

Ingred Name:METHANOL (METHYL ALCOHOL), COLUMBIAN SPIRITS *95-3*
CAS:67-56-1
RTECS #:PC1400000
Fraction by Wt: 3%
Other REC Limits:200 PPM
OSHA PEL:260 MG/CUM
ACGIH TLV:262 MG/CUM (SKIN)
EPA Rpt Qty:5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:5000 LBS

Ingred Name:TOLUENE (IARC CARC- GROUP 3) *95-3*
CAS:108-88-3
RTECS #:XS5250000
Fraction by Wt: 9%
Other REC Limits:375 MG/CUM
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:100 PPM
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

Ingred Name:LIGHT ALIPHATIC NAPHTHA, VM & P NAPHTHA, LACOLENE
CAS:64742-89-8
OSHA PEL:300 PPM
ACGIH TLV:300 PPM

Ingred Name:XYLENE, DIMETHYLBENZENE, XYLOL (IARC - GROUP 3) *95-3*
CAS:1330-20-7
RTECS #:ZE2100000
Fraction by Wt: 3%
Other REC Limits:100 PPM
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:100 PPM, SKIN
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

And the third item is Toluene is a freakish nightmare of bad for you.

Toluene /ˈtɒluːiːn/, formerly known as toluol /ˈtɒluːɒl/, is a clear, water-insoluble liquid with the typical smell of paint thinners. It is a mono-substituted benzene derivative, i.e., one in which a single hydrogen atom from a group of six atoms from the benzene molecule has been replaced by a univalent group, in this case CH3. As such, its IUPAC systematic name is methylbenzene.

It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock and as a solvent. Like other solvents, toluene is sometimes also used as an inhalant drug for its intoxicating properties; however, inhaling toluene has potential to cause severe neurological harm.[2][3] Toluene is an important organic solvent, but is also capable of dissolving a number of notable inorganic chemicals such as sulfur,[4] iodine, bromine, phosphorus, and other non-polar covalent substances.
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He said he used it to clean tires, not guzzle like sweet tea on a hot day!
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Both wrong, it is a petroleum distillate.

From the MSDS: 70% light hydrotreated distillate and 30% hydrotreated light naphtha.
Charcoal Starting lighter fluid is Petroleum Distillates(Mineral spirits)
Zippo lighter fluid is Aliphatic Naphtha
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He said he used it to clean tires, not guzzle like sweet tea on a hot day!
That kind of solvent on a hot day. Too strong, even on ice.

Some would state that I already have more than enough brain damage.
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That stuff is baaaaad for you!

From the 3812 MSDS:

============= Composition/Information on Ingredients =============

Ingred Name:ISOPROPANOL (ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL), 2-PROPANOL, DIMETHYL
CARBINOL
CAS:67-63-0
RTECS #:NT8050000
Other REC Limits:400 PPM
OSHA PEL:400 PPM
ACGIH TLV:400 PPM

Ingred Name:METHANOL (METHYL ALCOHOL), COLUMBIAN SPIRITS *95-3*
CAS:67-56-1
RTECS #:PC1400000
Fraction by Wt: 3%
Other REC Limits:200 PPM
OSHA PEL:260 MG/CUM
ACGIH TLV:262 MG/CUM (SKIN)
EPA Rpt Qty:5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:5000 LBS

Ingred Name:TOLUENE (IARC CARC- GROUP 3) *95-3*
CAS:108-88-3
RTECS #:XS5250000
Fraction by Wt: 9%
Other REC Limits:375 MG/CUM
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:100 PPM
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

Ingred Name:LIGHT ALIPHATIC NAPHTHA, VM & P NAPHTHA, LACOLENE
CAS:64742-89-8
OSHA PEL:300 PPM
ACGIH TLV:300 PPM

Ingred Name:XYLENE, DIMETHYLBENZENE, XYLOL (IARC - GROUP 3) *95-3*
CAS:1330-20-7
RTECS #:ZE2100000
Fraction by Wt: 3%
Other REC Limits:100 PPM
OSHA PEL:100 PPM
ACGIH TLV:100 PPM, SKIN
EPA Rpt Qty:1000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty:1000 LBS

And the third item is Toluene is a freakish nightmare of bad for you.

Toluene /ˈtɒluːiːn/, formerly known as toluol /ˈtɒluːɒl/, is a clear, water-insoluble liquid with the typical smell of paint thinners. It is a mono-substituted benzene derivative, i.e., one in which a single hydrogen atom from a group of six atoms from the benzene molecule has been replaced by a univalent group, in this case CH3. As such, its IUPAC systematic name is methylbenzene.

It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock and as a solvent. Like other solvents, toluene is sometimes also used as an inhalant drug for its intoxicating properties; however, inhaling toluene has potential to cause severe neurological harm.[2][3] Toluene is an important organic solvent, but is also capable of dissolving a number of notable inorganic chemicals such as sulfur,[4] iodine, bromine, phosphorus, and other non-polar covalent substances.
3812 contains the same Aliphatic Naphtha that you claim is OK by itself in "lighter fluid" but you add 30% of Toluene and now its a Hazard? Seriously get educated!(PS I manufacture Paint and coatings for a living, using these chemicals daily. Also besides schooling for these chemicals we take yearly compliance testing to make sure they are not only used properly, but dont end up in the hands of drug makers. Toluene-xylene-acetone-etc are all DEA controlled chemicals) All your doing is using a faster evaporating chemical so your not getting the soak in that the Plain Naphtha has.
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Charcoal Starting lighter fluid is Petroleum Distillates(Mineral spirits)
Zippo lighter fluid is Aliphatic Naphtha
Your right on the mineral spirits, just had the wrong kind of lighter fuel on the brain. Ronsonsol used to be pure naphtha until Zippo bought them out and changed the recipe.

I have Unscented Mineral spirits, Coleman fuel and WD-40 in larger containers and mix them for a home brew cleaner. If I mix the spirits with the naphtha I can at least recreate the Zippo fuel. By adding the WD-40, it slows down the drying process.
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He said he used it to clean tires, not guzzle like sweet tea on a hot day!
^ this right here is a guy who gets it
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Your right on the mineral spirits, just had the wrong kind of lighter fuel on the brain. Ronsonsol used to be pure naphtha until Zippo bought them out and changed the recipe.

I have Unscented Mineral spirits, Coleman fuel and WD-40 in larger containers and mix them for a home brew cleaner. If I mix the spirits with the naphtha I can at least recreate the Zippo fuel. By adding the WD-40, it slows down the drying process.
Yeah and the new "recipe" burns twice as fast and not as hot Who wins there? Certainly not the people who buy twice as much! lol
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I made a sauce using naptha, odorless mineral spirits, and diesel. I put a little bit of toluene and isopropyl alcohol in my first batch. Worked better than sxt on qts32's on carpet, but I've been told not to use it anymore. I use it as a tire cleaner now, and use it to soften my offroad tires (works great for softening older tires).
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I work in the printing industry....solvent based ink......Toluene is bad stuff!
Just google it......
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