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Old 11-20-2014, 11:52 AM   #1
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Can anyone tell me if the Orion VST2X 21.5t motor part# ORI28283 is legal for usgt? Thanks!!
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:57 AM   #2
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Can anyone tell me if the Orion VST2X 21.5t motor part# ORI28283 is legal for usgt? Thanks!!
I think your answer is in here:


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Team Orion USA - ORI28283 - Vortex VST2X Pro 540 Stock 2P 21.5T
The stock classes are some of the most popular racing classes worldwide. Most races use the rules established by the ROAR US R/C car and truck association, but there is also a number of races which do not adopt these strict motor rules, this is where the VST2X Stock motors come into play. This new sensor brushless stock motor is built using the World Championship winning VST2 technology but its extreme design increases its power output even further. The result is an extremely powerful 540 size brushless stock motor with outstanding performance. In the very competitive stock class where the motor turns are limited, this motor will give you and edge over your competitors.

http://www.advantagehobby.com/250998/ORI28283/?pcat=353

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simple:

If it is on this list, in the 21.5 area, it is legal otherwise it IS NOT:

http://roarracing.com/approved_brushless_motors.php
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Yea I read that, I was'nt sure if usgt adopted "roar sanctions" .... usgt says motor must be roar approved so I'm guessing this motor is NOT legal.... I wish i Knew why....
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Not on the list ):
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Its basically an outlaw stock motor. The rotor is probably oversized as are the windings inside.
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Its basically an outlaw stock motor. The rotor is probably oversized as are the windings inside.
That"s exactly what Ineeded to know!!! I have a standard orion 21.5 rotor and a brand new orion (X) outlaw stock so i can put my standard rotor in it and be legal!!..THANK YOU!!!
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That"s exactly what Ineeded to know!!! I have a standard orion 21.5 rotor and a brand new orion (X) outlaw stock so i can put my standard rotor in it and be legal!!..THANK YOU!!!
No, you'd still have an illegal motor... with a legal rotor in it.


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...as are the windings inside.
Most likely made with oversized wire, and again... still illegal.
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That"s exactly what Ineeded to know!!! I have a standard orion 21.5 rotor and a brand new orion (X) outlaw stock so i can put my standard rotor in it and be legal!!..THANK YOU!!!
Um, probably not.

The USGT rules allow for larger rotors FROM THE SAME manufacturer up to 12.5mm.

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ROAR approved 21.5 + 2s lipo batteries No tuning rotors, must use OEM rotor 12.3-12.5mm


So the motor you have will still not be legal, even if you put a standard rotor in it. It has to be on the approved list of motors.

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Oem rotor means the rotor furnished with the motor.

Motors listed on the ROAR list are legal
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Oem rotor means the rotor furnished with the motor.

Motors listed on the ROAR list are legal
Rob,

A clarification of OEM rotor, as you've done here, would probably be helpful on the rules page. I know of larger rotors [within the range stated in the rules] from the same manufacturer being used in USGT motors, under the assumption that it's legal.

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Ok , scrap'n the whole idea.. I'm just going to buy the standard orion 21.5t and run it.. Thanks for the info guys!
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A clarification of OEM rotor, as you've done here, would probably be helpful on the rules page. I know of larger rotors [within the range stated in the rules] from the same manufacturer being used in USGT motors, under the assumption that it's legal.

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Yeah that is not so clear.
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Oem rotor means the rotor furnished with the motor.

Motors listed on the ROAR list are legal
Even that is vague and unenforceable. My Kill Shot 21.5 came with a 12.3mm rotor, but the same motor sold in a Maxzilla version comes with the 12.5mm high torque rotor. So if I put the 12.5mm high torque rotor in my motor, who could tell that my motor doesn't have the rotor or the same type of rotor that came with it?

Quite frankly I never thought too much about the meaning of OEM until the question was asked here. To me it meant I couldn't put for example an ORCA rotor in a R1 Works motor.

If we are going to clarify the 21.5 motor rules lets also talk about the term "tuning rotors". Trinity makes 6 spec style rotors (TEP1100- TEP1112) - three are 12.3mm and 3 are 12.5mm. All 6 are ROAR approved rotors. All of these spec rotors are interchangeable in the D3, D3.5, Revtech, Killshot and D4 spec motors. Fantom who markets these same motors under their own label offers these motors (e.g., IONV5 is a D4 based motor) with the option of using any of these ROAR approved rotors. So with this information and what would be the definition of a tuning rotor? Any non ROAR approved rotor or any certified rotor or what?

Unlike the 25.5 motor, ROAR has specs for the 21.5 motor and there are ROAR approved 21.5 motors so for simplicity why don't we state for USGT: Any ROAR approved 21.5 spec motor with any ROAR approved 12.3mm or 12.5mm spec rotor.

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Just use what came with your motor. Pretty simple. I guess its a big bon us for you if you run a trinity. We'll never know your secrets
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