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Old 11-14-2014, 07:51 AM   #91
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Why not just restrict the gearing to a fixed ratio, like VTA has? That should slow/limit novices.
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Old 11-14-2014, 08:02 AM   #92
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Why not just restrict the gearing to a fixed ratio, like VTA has? That should slow/limit novices.
VTA hasn't had a fixed ratio since the introduction of the 25.5 motor... It's also been mentioned that too low of a gear ratio induces too much wheelspin and/or erratic behavior out of slow turns, further frustrating newer drivers.

Less motor usually means tighter competition. Tighter competition usually means more fun. More people having more fun should translate to more new faces...
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Are there that many beginners that are turned off by the speed and their inability to handle the car?
We usually get 2-4 new drivers per year at our club. we run a separate "beginner" class for them, where they all race together (touring, USGT, mini, etc ...all run together). This gives new drivers the ability to practice in an actual racing condition and no one gets upset w/ their lack of control of the car. New passionate drivers who stick with it usually move out of novice class and up to expert once they are able to handle their car.
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Old 11-14-2014, 08:35 AM   #94
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Are there that many beginners that are turned off by the speed and their inability to handle the car?
We usually get 2-4 new drivers per year at our club. we run a separate "beginner" class for them, where they all race together (touring, USGT, mini, etc ...all run together). This gives new drivers the ability to practice in an actual racing condition and no one gets upset w/ their lack of control of the car. New passionate drivers who stick with it usually move out of novice class and up to expert once they are able to handle their car.
Run what you brung beginner classes are a good idea. New guys are just trying to figure out how to make it around a track, regardless of what they own. As for everything else we already have two (newer-driver friendly) classes that have been mentioned over and over. Making new classes is only a dilution of what exists... you're splitting minor differences between 3 classes that are already well established.
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VTA hasn't had a fixed ratio since the introduction of the 25.5 motor... It's also been mentioned that too low of a gear ratio induces too much wheelspin and/or erratic behavior out of slow turns, further frustrating newer drivers.

Less motor usually means tighter competition. Tighter competition usually means more fun. More people having more fun should translate to more new faces...
Agreed.

Also, keep in mind that even VTA is too much for some, at least in the beginning. Can't please everyone or make the "perfect" class for every guy that shows up to a track. But of what exists, it's a great platform for starters... and popular almost everywhere.
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Agreed.

Also, keep in mind that even VTA is too much for some, at least in the beginning. Can't please everyone or make the "perfect" class for every guy that shows up to a track. But of what exists, it's a great platform for starters... and popular almost everywhere.
I can't agree more. Just point them to a chassis that has a lot of local support.
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Old 11-14-2014, 10:54 AM   #97
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I gues to the OP I should applogize for previous post being so abrupt. But it did just seem like whining. After some reflection your original points have merit. But if you love TC so much how bout this probable solution.

Keep your 17.5 TC and get some practice in at the beggining and end of race days. Most tracks allow this. I the mean time, get a car set up for USGT or VTA and race that for a while until you get the hang of things set-up and control wise. Once you feel confident, start racing both, then eventually sell the slower ride and focus on 17.5.

But creating another TC class here in the states is never going to happen. Way too much manufacture money tied up in keeping the never ending "stock" motor wars going. For manufactures, mod bringsnin way less than stock. One companies motor really doesnt matter over anothers. If company a's 6.5 is faster than company b's 5.5, so what. But if company a's 17.5 is faster, its a big deal because everyone will want it.
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But creating another TC class here in the states is never going to happen. Way too much manufacture money tied up in keeping the never ending "stock" motor wars going. For manufactures, mod bringsnin way less than stock. One companies motor really doesnt matter over anothers. If company a's 6.5 is faster than company b's 5.5, so what. But if company a's 17.5 is faster, its a big deal because everyone will want it.
Bingo ! The motor manufacturers are short sighted and self serving because they aren't into the long term welfare of the sport every year. Because of this everyone here in the USA is ringing the death knell bell about lack of retaining new drivers. No new foundation is being built here , mostly because of the motor of the month shirade in "stock TC " is raping enthusiasm.

All the while in Europe the ETS series has embraced a *spec* 13.5 ( single manufacturer ) TC blinky class that appears to be very successful.

Someone at ROAR needs to change course and do what's good for the long term rather than be a patsy for the motor manufacturers short term profits. Not pointing fingers, but if it was me, that's what I'd do.

A slower than 17.5 spec motor class that is a national class at Roar events ( with scale bodies and long lasting tires. ).

A pipe dream?


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