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Old 11-17-2014, 10:03 AM   #121
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VERY Sad to see ROAR use a minor technicality of any sort to thwart a very popular choice for President.

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I have read this entire thread. I can't believe this. REALLY!!!!
Roar is a governing body. We make hard disissions all the time. They may not be the answer you want. But it is FAIR. YES Eric Anderson's membership lapsed.
Making him ineligible to be nominated for President. The Excomm voted
Unamaisly. It's not a conspiracy. Steve Pond nor Steve Mruk had NO SAY in the matter. I personally do not know Eric Anderson. He sounds like a guy that would
defiantly make a difference to our hobby we all love. But the Rules are Rules.
We may not like the rules. But it's Fair. I am the promotions director for Roar.
I am also a part of the executive committee. I was running off road for years. I have recently switched to on road. My findings with on road are largely econimicly induced.Roar can't fix everything. But we try to fix what we can that works for everyone involved. That's not easy.
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Does it say THE year prior or A year prior? There is a big difference there.

Also if The current administration is so keen on following everything to an exact T then why have the bylaws not been updated and signed off on in over two years as required to keep the non profit stays with the Gov?

Would you like me to keep going or ? Things like this is why roar needs a change. It's pretty obvious that there are three sets of sides on the Excom and none want to work with the other.

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Old 11-17-2014, 10:05 AM   #123
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From the ROAR by-laws:
The President and Vice President must have
been a member in good standing for a year prior to election.

It doesn't state the period must immediately precede the election.

If EA won by a landslide, and a write-in, it's clear that the voice of the membership has been heard. ROAR (keep in mind that that's us) should allow the votes.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:06 AM   #124
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I have read this entire thread. I can't believe this. REALLY!!!!
Roar is a governing body. We make hard disissions all the time. They may not be the answer you want. But it is FAIR. YES Eric Anderson's membership lapsed.
Making him ineligible to be nominated for President. The Excomm voted
Unamaisly. It's not a conspiracy. Steve Pond nor Steve Mruk had NO SAY in the matter. I personally do not know Eric Anderson. He sounds like a guy that would
defiantly make a difference to our hobby we all love. But the Rules are Rules.
We may not like the rules. But it's Fair. I am the promotions director for Roar.
I am also a part of the executive committee. I was running off road for years. I have recently switched to on road. My findings with on road are largely econimicly induced.Roar can't fix everything. But we try to fix what we can that works for everyone involved. That's not easy.
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I have read the entire thread and have nothing to do with ROAR but really! A guy unanimously gets voted in and he loses because of a technically. Typical political BS. The guy the people want in to fix the mess, doesn't get in. Sounds just like our government. If it was fair then all the examples used would start a new year from the new date purchased. Can't have it both ways.

I hope the actual folks that did vote, do speak with their wallets and don't show up to Roar races.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:10 AM   #125
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I have read the entire thread and have nothing to do with ROAR but really! A guy unanimously gets voted in and he loses because of a technically. Typical political BS. The guy the people want in to fix the mess, doesn't get in. Sounds just like our government. If it was fair then all the examples used would start a new year from the new date purchased. Can't have it both ways.

I hope the actual folks that did vote, do speak with their wallets and don't show up to Roar races.
It's not even a technicality. They told Eric the ROAR administrator contacted him to let him know his membership expired but they can't prove it.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:13 AM   #126
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It's not even a technicality. They told Eric the ROAR administrator contacted him to let him know his membership expired but they can't prove it.
Even crazier. BTW nice run this weekend.
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From what I understand in the Bylaws it requires that the President be on the Excomm at some point too. And I understand that Steve Murk was not on the Excomm was prior to becoming president? Is this true. If so why the selective enforcement of the rules?
Steve Mruk was previously on the excom as promotions director.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:15 AM   #128
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I have read the entire thread and have nothing to do with ROAR but really! A guy unanimously gets voted in and he loses because of a technically. Typical political BS.
It was not unanimous.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:18 AM   #129
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It was not unanimous.
But he won right? Wrong choice of words.
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I have read the entire thread and have nothing to do with ROAR but really! A guy unanimously gets voted in and he loses because of a technically. Typical political BS. The guy the people want in to fix the mess, doesn't get in. Sounds just like our government. If it was fair then all the examples used would start a new year from the new date purchased. Can't have it both ways.

I hope the actual folks that did vote, do speak with their wallets and don't show up to Roar races.
The election is not even over! Nobody knows if he had the most votes and nobody likely ever will. The fact is that on-road is a small segment in the scheme of things so the most likely outcome will be a winner known to the off-road crowd.

ROAR is nothing. They do not make money, the volunteers are not making a living from this. You are not boycotting Walmart! By boycotting ROAR races you are boycotting tracks who for the most part are run by fellow racers, clubs that are run by racers, and racers themselves. You are hurting yourselves. The best case scenario is that ROAR dies then those involved lose their volunteer positions and have a lot more free time on their hands. You showed 'em!

The Carpet Nats is the perfect example. You guys are going to boycott it? That only hurts the host club and it's members (who happen to be your friends and fellow racers).
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It's a fixed election. Two or three guys currently in power are trying to fall back on a loosely worded rule to keep out a candidate that is already winning by a huge margin. And they're trying to play both sides by saying EA's membership was lapsed even though he was charged for that supposed lapsed time as "courtesy."

This is ROAR. This is what we have in place to govern our sport. Hundreds of people voted for EA after a grassroots campaign got the word out about trying to make a positive change, and ROAR is doing its best to keep it from happening. The same ineffective leadership that got us where we are today is fighting for its life. So they can do more of the same. Nothing.
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The election is not even over! Nobody knows if he had the most votes and nobody likely ever will. The fact is that on-road is a small segment in the scheme of things so the most likely outcome will be a winner known to the off-road crowd.

ROAR is nothing. They do not make money, the volunteers are not making a living from this. You are not boycotting Walmart! By boycotting ROAR races you are boycotting tracks who for the most part are run by fellow racers, clubs that are run by racers, and racers themselves. You are hurting yourselves. The best case scenario is that ROAR dies then those involved lose their volunteer positions and have a lot more free time on their hands. You showed 'em!

The Carpet Nats is the perfect example. You guys are going to boycott it? That only hurts the host club and it's members (who happen to be your friends and fellow racers).

Wow Rick, I didn't see this coming from you.

Racers seem to support non roar races also. IIC, snowbirds. The track that's hosting the Roar carpet Nats won't be a sell out because of it being the Roar Nats. It will sell out because all the racers know that group of guys at that track are a great group of racers to the hobby. Nothing to do with roar.

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The election is not even over! Nobody knows if he had the most votes and nobody likely ever will. The fact is that on-road is a small segment in the scheme of things so the most likely outcome will be a winner known to the off-road crowd.

ROAR is nothing. They do not make money, the volunteers are not making a living from this. You are not boycotting Walmart! By boycotting ROAR races you are boycotting tracks who for the most part are run by fellow racers, clubs that are run by racers, and racers themselves. You are hurting yourselves. The best case scenario is that ROAR dies then those involved lose their volunteer positions and have a lot more free time on their hands. You showed 'em!

The Carpet Nats is the perfect example. You guys are going to boycott it? That only hurts the host club and it's members (who happen to be your friends and fellow racers).
Exactly what Rick says! I have stated several places that I do not want anyone to boycott a ROAR race over this.

In the long run Ive been told by several that ROAR did me a favor! LOL

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Old 11-17-2014, 10:28 AM   #134
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The election is not even over! Nobody knows if he had the most votes and nobody likely ever will. The fact is that on-road is a small segment in the scheme of things so the most likely outcome will be a winner known to the off-road crowd.

ROAR is nothing. They do not make money, the volunteers are not making a living from this. You are not boycotting Walmart! By boycotting ROAR races you are boycotting tracks who for the most part are run by fellow racers, clubs that are run by racers, and racers themselves. You are hurting yourselves. The best case scenario is that ROAR dies then those involved lose their volunteer positions and have a lot more free time on their hands. You showed 'em!

The Carpet Nats is the perfect example. You guys are going to boycott it? That only hurts the host club and it's members (who happen to be your friends and fellow racers).
Fair enough. I don't care either way as it will be a long time before I ever have the talent to race at one of these events. I don't know enough either about Roar of the process. I am only commenting based on the posts and seems pretty stupid a guy doesn't win because of one reason and that is his membership lapsing yet it appears at least on this forum he has a lot of support. The thing that is crazy is all the examples of other letting their membership lapse yet the date reverts back to the original date. Just seems like a double standard.

Either way it won't effect me at all. Just bored and thought I would read the thread. carry on.
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If only there were a way to give all the money to Horsham for their race... The people who actually deserve it.
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