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Old 05-01-2015, 02:56 AM   #16
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When can we expect orange x10 to be released ?
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:24 PM   #17
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When can we expect orange x10 to be released ?
The alloy parts, you mean? They sell them as upgrades, I was a bit surprised that weren't orange in the kit, but I don't really mind it, as long as it's quick.
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Hi Guys,
I am buying the X10,
I have some spare electronics from my x12,
how you think will go the X10 with 5.5T and 1S lipo (6000mha 100c)?
I also have 3.5T muchmore (always to use with 1S ESC
is a setup I can use to have fun or I need to buy new things?
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Hi Guys,
I am buying the X10,
I have some spare electronics from my x12,
how you think will go the X10 with 5.5T and 1S lipo (6000mha 100c)?
I also have 3.5T muchmore (always to use with 1S ESC
is a setup I can use to have fun or I need to buy new things?
thank you
Depends on the size of your track, but if you're used to the X12, the X10 is just bigger and a bit lazier, so you should be all right.
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Old 05-08-2015, 02:47 AM   #20
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Depends on the size of your track, but if you're used to the X12, the X10 is just bigger and a bit lazier, so you should be all right.
thank you

track is quite big, Asphalt Indoor (I think is the biggest asphalt indoor in europe).
here you can see a video of the track:
facebook.com/ole.bryne/videos/o.215884938504163/10203907581951827/

with the 1:12 with 3.5T at 1S is a really good fun.

I think it should be ok for the X10 with the 5.5T 1S or the 3.5T 1S..

looking forward to try it
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Old 05-08-2015, 03:21 AM   #21
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track is quite big, Asphalt Indoor (I think is the biggest asphalt indoor in europe).
here you can see a video of the track:
facebook.com/ole.bryne/videos/o.215884938504163/10203907581951827/

with the 1:12 with 3.5T at 1S is a really good fun.

I think it should be ok for the X10 with the 5.5T 1S or the 3.5T 1S..

looking forward to try it
Whoa! That looks like amazing fun! If you could run 1:12 on that track, it must be quite smooth, should be a blast with the X10! :-)
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:46 AM   #22
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Can anyone tell me I use 13.5T motor , I use supur 95t , motor pinion 33t is it correct
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Old 07-03-2015, 10:36 AM   #23
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Can anyone tell me I use 13.5T motor , I use supur 95t , motor pinion 33t is it correct
It *really* depends on the diameter of your tires, as well (a bigger tire is like having a bigger pinion!)... That's why most racers using foam tires talk about "rollout"/"mmpr" (millimetres per revolution), instead of FDR.

The tires on my X10 are 55mm, and I use a 96T spur and 30T pinion, giving me a rollout of 54mmpr (one turn of the motor will move the car forward 54mm), but I use a 10.5T motor and boost. With a 13.5T motor, I'd try something closer to 60mmpr, or maybe even higher if blinky (65mmpr?).

You can use the following online calculator to find out what spur/pinion you need for your tire diameter:

https://www.tqrcracing.com/rc_tools/rollout.asp

If your tires are 55mm, a 95T spur and 33T pinion would give you 60.02mmpr, which would be a good starting point for boosted. If your tires are bigger, you'd have to use the calculator...
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I'm finding the front end develops slop, in the suspension arms ball-joints...

Is there any downside to the hard composite and graphite front suspension parts? Do they help keep out slop around the ball-joints? Are they significantly more fragile?
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Old 07-27-2015, 06:15 AM   #25
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I'm finding the front end develops slop, in the suspension arms ball-joints...

Is there any downside to the hard composite and graphite front suspension parts? Do they help keep out slop around the ball-joints? Are they significantly more fragile?
This is a big design issue for X10, I would say. I have been changing the front lower arms and balls every second race. The slop in the lower arm/ball develops until the lower joint starts popping up even on heavy cornering. I found out the main reason to be the composite balls get heavily worn out very easily. So I tested what happens if I change only the balls and the slop disappeared. And appeared again after 1h ride. In the older x10 there is no problem of this magnitude, due to it having the same spring still balls up and down and softer arms material.

As I am tire buying new composite balls all the time I just swapped the spring steel ball from the upper arms to the lower arms and put composite balls in the upper arms.

I had run the x10 for an hours since then. Looks the spring steel balls hold much better and no slop in the upper arms where the composite balls are. I have the feeling the softer the lower arm material the better it holds. Oh and the graphite arms are not brittle at all - I cant see how they could get broken from crash.
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This is a big design issue for X10, I would say. I have been changing the front lower arms and balls every second race. The slop in the lower arm/ball develops until the lower joint starts popping up even on heavy cornering. I found out the main reason to be the composite balls get heavily worn out very easily. So I tested what happens if I change only the balls and the slop disappeared. And appeared again after 1h ride. In the older x10 there is no problem of this magnitude, due to it having the same spring still balls up and down and softer arms material.

As I am tire buying new composite balls all the time I just swapped the spring steel ball from the upper arms to the lower arms and put composite balls in the upper arms.

I had run the x10 for an hours since then. Looks the spring steel balls hold much better and no slop in the upper arms where the composite balls are. I have the feeling the softer the lower arm material the better it holds.
There's some tricks to reduce the slop:

http://forum.teamxray.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=18988

I was wondering if it lasted for longer with the stiffer arms.

Mine don't quite pop out, though, it's just kind of sloppy, if I just put them in. In fact, I tried to take the pivot balls out to do the trick in the link above, but gave up, as I was worried I'd break something.

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Oh and the graphite arms are not brittle at all - I cant see how they could get broken from crash.
Ok, good to know. But you say that with softer material, it's better?
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Ok, good to know. But you say that with softer material, it's better?
Looks to me the softer material develops the slop slowlier. At racing meeting I had to by the old X10 front arms as the shop had no the new ones. The standard are the softer composite and they lasted a bit longer. Looks to me the graphite is hard and tend to not like abrasive wear.

For running on asphalt I havent found any performance difference between the composite and the graphite.
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I replaced the balls with AE ones, swapped to xenon steering hubs/AE axles and went to a 1/8 inch kingpin, 95% of the slop removed.
Also replaced the ball studs with standard 4.3mm.
The bump steer is something else in this car...
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I replaced the balls with AE ones, swapped to xenon steering hubs/AE axles and went to a 1/8 inch kingpin, 95% of the slop removed.
Also replaced the ball studs with standard 4.3mm.
The bump steer is something else in this car...
Well, the V2 hubs are strong enough. The pre X10 has the same design front and has no issues of this extend at all. But it has steel balls. I strongly believe the root cause for all the issues are the composite balls. after long enough running with X1 it developed the same issue - the lower composite balls got worn to the point when they started poping out given after much longer than in the X10 ( due to the softer material of the bushings).The composite balls should be forbidden . Especially if they have the same price as the spring steel ones.

For me here is easier to get Xray parts and general hassle to get EA parts.

Yes the bump steer is issue as there are no long enough ball studs to allow enough shimming...

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Old 09-06-2015, 04:50 PM   #30
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In the RedRC interview on the X12, there's some mention of the play/wobble in the front end being worked on.

Hopefully, an X10'16 is coming as well, with the new parts? At least, they should fit the X10'15 just fine...
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