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Old 06-16-2017, 12:39 PM   #211
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Finally i completed the built of my FF04EVO Black Edition.

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4...t2bajg_jpg.htm

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4...suvxv4_jpg.htm

It got a Tamiya Golf GTI 24 shell on it and i added some hopups or exchanged some parts to better versions, mostly from TRF419X:

- Switched to big diameter springs
- Switched to big diameter spring collars
- Switched to big diameter spring retainer (black aluminium)
- Switched to TRF rod guides hard
- Switched to TRF X-rings 50 durometer
- Switched to damper low friction ball heads (short) from 419X
- Switched to low friction ball heads for the turnbuckle linkages
- Switched to v-parts low friction
- Switched to titanium axles
- Screws were exchanged to FF04 titanium set
- Parts NN4 and NN20 exchanged from plastic to aluminium
- Parts NN2 were exchanged to the 419X delrin version (8x axle balls)
- Added aluminium toe blocks (1XD-xd/xd-1A)
- Added aluminium spacer in black (5/6.4 x 1.5) for better bearing support in the axles hubs
- Added 418 sway bar kit (front) with low fricton ball heads (419) and low friction ball cups all around
- Added battery rubber tape (419X)
- Battery retainers switched to aluminium (TB03 aluminium servo holder short and two battery posts from a TA05VDF)
- Front diff internals are steel (gears) and aluminium (gear axles) and added aluminium diff cover from TA06
- Switched to aluminium servo horn
- Added aluminium servo clamps (black)
- Switched to lightweight aluminium axles (rear)
- Added some other stuff like TRF body holders and some cable managment clamps etc.

It was a joy to bild this car. Everything is smooth and without play. Drivetrain is one of the freest i've ever seen. But the most important: it's the interesting and funniest car i've ever driven beside the 4WD and RWD i have. FF is so different!

Tamiya should push this class in Europe.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:59 AM   #212
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Hey Tom1977, great looking FF04!! I have that same body (I need to get finished) for my FF04.

Can you post a pic of your battery retainer setup - I'm wanting to do something similar and am just looking at ideas right now. Need to get my Black edition built up - since our local indoor on-road track closed I haven't been motivated to build it. Heck I need to get the rest of the electronics ordered for this one.





And here's my VBC FF17, another VW.



I love the FF's, just wish they were more popular.
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Hi aracefan,

here is a better picture to see the retainers.




I used TB03 short servo holder #54091 with a 0.5mm spacer and flatscrew. I adjusted the screw with spacer that the battery slightly touches the rear center post without affecting flex too much. This way you have a stopper in front and rear.

Further you can see the two batteryposts in the center from a TA05VDF/TB03VDS #9804424, which helps to get the battery nearer to the center without touching servo and electronics and you have perfect straight endpoints when taping in the battery.





The 419X battery tape helps to make this all bomb proof on impact.

My intention of this was to use original Tamiya parts without the necessary of modifying other parts.

Hope this helps.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:39 AM   #214
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Excellent! Thanks Tom!! I will order that stuff when I order the ESC and battery.
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Did you use the FF03 Evo rear damper stay?? I can't find it anywhere. . . ebay doesn't even have it.

I have been trying to find it ever since I read on kentech blog that his FF04 Evo just wouldn't handle right until he made that change.

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Finally i completed the built of my FF04EVO Black Edition.

20170616_194023.jpg - directupload.net

20170602_132010.jpg - directupload.net

It got a Tamiya Golf GTI 24 shell on it and i added some hopups or exchanged some parts to better versions, mostly from TRF419X:

- Switched to big diameter springs
- Switched to big diameter spring collars
- Switched to big diameter spring retainer (black aluminium)
- Switched to TRF rod guides hard
- Switched to TRF X-rings 50 durometer
- Switched to damper low friction ball heads (short) from 419X
- Switched to low friction ball heads for the turnbuckle linkages
- Switched to v-parts low friction
- Switched to titanium axles
- Screws were exchanged to FF04 titanium set
- Parts NN4 and NN20 exchanged from plastic to aluminium
- Parts NN2 were exchanged to the 419X delrin version (8x axle balls)
- Added aluminium toe blocks (1XD-xd/xd-1A)
- Added aluminium spacer in black (5/6.4 x 1.5) for better bearing support in the axles hubs
- Added 418 sway bar kit (front) with low fricton ball heads (419) and low friction ball cups all around
- Added battery rubber tape (419X)
- Battery retainers switched to aluminium (TB03 aluminium servo holder short and two battery posts from a TA05VDF)
- Front diff internals are steel (gears) and aluminium (gear axles) and added aluminium diff cover from TA06
- Switched to aluminium servo horn
- Added aluminium servo clamps (black)
- Switched to lightweight aluminium axles (rear)
- Added some other stuff like TRF body holders and some cable managment clamps etc.

It was a joy to bild this car. Everything is smooth and without play. Drivetrain is one of the freest i've ever seen. But the most important: it's the interesting and funniest car i've ever driven beside the 4WD and RWD i have. FF is so different!

Tamiya should push this class in Europe.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:03 PM   #216
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I was able to use the kit rear tower. I played around with the shocks setting a little but this combo works.
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Did you use the FF03 Evo rear damper stay?? I can't find it anywhere. . . ebay doesn't even have it.

I have been trying to find it ever since I read on kentech blog that his FF04 Evo just wouldn't handle right until he made that change.
No i use the original damper stay but i went very soft with the rear dampers (red springs) and stabilizer (thinnest kit one).

I didn't really understand this 'reverse arm thing' in the rear but it's better for the alignment of the stabilizer connectors.

P.S. FF03EVO/FF04EVO special parts are unicorns!

Rear damper stay FF03EVO #18408009. I checked some of my special sources...nothing or out of order. Perhaps a japanese shop but most of them will not ship to US/Europe etc...
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I was able to use the kit rear tower. I played around with the shocks setting a little but this combo works.
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No i use the original damper stay but i went very soft with the rear dampers (red springs) and stabilizer (thinnest kit one).

I didn't really understand this 'reverse arm thing' in the rear but it's better for the alignment of the stabilizer connectors.

P.S. FF03EVO/FF04EVO special parts are unicorns!

Rear damper stay FF03EVO #18408009. I checked some of my special sources...nothing or out of order. Perhaps a japanese shop but most of them will not ship to US/Europe etc...

Thanks guys!!

I have ordered (from TamiyaUSA) the 419X rubber battery tape, the TB03 servo holder and the TA05 VDF battery posts to solve the battery position problem. THANKS again Tom, you da'man!

I have a set of red springs on my FF03R that I can pull off of it to put on the FF04!! I also used a 418 stabilizer set for my FF04 and have the thin one on the rear and the thickest one on the front (I believe it comes with 3 different bars for the front/rear).

I built up the FF04 per the manual and didn't like the way the rear sway bar attached either - someone (think it was OVA) several posts ago told me I had the rear arms on backwards. So, I flipped them over, and voila, the sway bar is much better.

Another question though, I built up the gear diff with the kit fluid, which I think is 100k, but do you think I should go thicker? I have 500k in the FF03 and that car was a mid pack runner in USGT before our carpet track closed. Usually finished 2-4 out of ~6 racers... Was really a HOOT beating the 4WD TC's - Tamiya 418's, Associated TC6's, and even a couple of Xrays!!!! With an old FF03 - <-- I love my FF03

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I think I may build up my FF04 EVO Black Edition soon, all this FF FWD talk has me all excited. Don't tell my wife! Means more $$ for gear.

btw, how much toe are you guys running on the rear? I have mine set up with a outer rear 1XB and the C blocks inner rear for -2.5 of toe... That sound about right or are you guys at -3 to -3.5??
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I run 300k in the diff. Rear toe is stock.
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1 mil on the gear diff. And toe will depending on track and level of traction, right now running at 2.5, track width is important too. I'm running 1D in the rear and 1A at the front with wider hex wheel hubs.
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Well, how freakin' annoying!!

I ordered all the parts for the battery setup (2 sets each) and after Tamiya sent an email confirming, then an email saying it was processing, then an email saying it shipped - about 4 minutes after that they sent one saying the order was cancelled.

Guess I'll have to source those bits elsewhere. . .
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I used the kit's mounting blocks with slight adjustment. Rather than mount them similar to step 31. I used the two holes in the main picture (closer to center of the chassis). And installed the blocks there.


I only used those two blocks and tape the battery in place. You can..somewhat ..see the block in this photo (near corner of transponder and just below the servo horn).

If you need another one you can purchase extra K part (42138 or 9114053).
https://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/prod....asp?p_id=2984
(currently out of stock but contact Sean if/when should be back in stock or just order with him).
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Thanks katana, I'll try the "optional" mounting locations. What shocks are you running on your FF04?
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Thanks katana, I'll try the "optional" mounting locations. What shocks are you running on your FF04?
They are stock dampers. And I think currently running 450 all around with TRF yellow front and red for rear.
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Yesterday I tested my FF-04 for the first time. What a fun car to drive!

I have replaced the stock motorplate and the support-part on the opposite side of the chassis with custom made carbon parts. This "LCG mod" allows the motor to be mounted almost 5mm lower than stock. The bumper needs to be modified a bit with sandpaper/dremel to accommodate the new motor position. All in all it turned out nice!

FF-04 Black edition
Servo: Sav÷x Black edition
ESC: HW Justock Black
Cables for servo an esc: TQ Triple Black
Motor and battery cables: 14awg Black
Motor: HW Xerun 17.5t (black)
Battery: Arrowmax 4000mAh (non-black stickers removed)
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