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Old 06-14-2015, 08:25 PM   #1321
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I tried the SpecR floating servo mount and the ARS today.

The floating servo mount was very nice and gave more steering.

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What is wrong with the kit floating servo mount?

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More backwards incompatible parts
Obviously.
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Old 06-14-2015, 10:32 PM   #1322
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What is wrong with the kit floating servo mount?



Obviously.
The spec-r mount, mounts the steering off the chassis giving more flex at the front of the car
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:33 AM   #1323
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The spec-r mount, mounts the steering off the chassis giving more flex at the front of the car
You mean it allows a bit of clearance between servo and chassis?
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:41 AM   #1324
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You mean it allows a bit of clearance between servo and chassis?
The whole swing rack floats.

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Have you tried this mount Mr Dodge? If so what is your opinion on it?
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:46 AM   #1326
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You mean it allows a bit of clearance between servo and chassis?
No, it floats the entire steering assembly above the chassis. It's one carbon plate and the bellcranks float from it too.
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Old 06-15-2015, 08:59 AM   #1327
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Have you tried this mount Mr Dodge? If so what is your opinion on it?
I haven't tried it. I wouldn't mind testing it. I think it is a great idea and should provide a little more flex on the front of the chassis.

At this time I could only speculate what I think it would do. Mi4cxl said he felt it gave more steering, but I don't know what surface he's running on.
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Old 06-15-2015, 09:02 AM   #1328
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Old 06-15-2015, 09:18 AM   #1329
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From my experience on high bite carpet, it took steering away. I tried it on both my T4 and Spec R R2 and the results were the same. On asphalt, I can see it aiding in a little more bite if the conditions are low to medium bite, but the increased flex at the front took away steering on high bite surfaces in every test I ran. It almost has a mirror effect of running a steering brace vs not running one. The steering brace will give more cut and increase response going into the corner which will make the steering response quicker. The floating steering mount did the opposite.

I can see this being a valuable tool in track conditions when you might be traction rolling. Or perhaps outdoors where you are trying to adjust your flex bias. However, I went back to the std configuration on both cars after I could not figure out how to make the car steer enough at our track.
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Old 06-15-2015, 10:05 PM   #1330
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Hey Christian,Not that I'm a chassis expert cause Touring car always been my nemisis Lol.. Would making a chassis with a different weight bias ( more weight to the rear ) make the T4 steer?





QUOTE=CristianTabush;14054378]From my experience on high bite carpet, it took steering away. I tried it on both my T4 and Spec R R2 and the results were the same. On asphalt, I can see it aiding in a little more bite if the conditions are low to medium bite, but the increased flex at the front took away steering on high bite surfaces in every test I ran. It almost has a mirror effect of running a steering brace vs not running one. The steering brace will give more cut and increase response going into the corner which will make the steering response quicker. The floating steering mount did the opposite.

I can see this being a valuable tool in track conditions when you might be traction rolling. Or perhaps outdoors where you are trying to adjust your flex bias. However, I went back to the std configuration on both cars after I could not figure out how to make the car steer enough at our track.[/QUOTE]
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Hey Christian,Not that I'm a chassis expert cause Touring car always been my nemisis Lol.. Would making a chassis with a different weight bias ( more weight to the rear ) make the T4 steer?
Where are you finding the T4 not steering? Carpet or Asphalt?
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Mike, the T4 steers just fine. Perhaps not as much as a yokomo, but enough for most situations nonetheless. I don't know if your question is related to my post or just in general.

I find that with simply moving the battery plugs forward or using something like our offset battery holders can shift weight enough to make a big difference in the corner entry steering department. A stiffer weave chassis can also increase the response on the car as well and provide the car a little more corner speed at the expense of perhaps a slight bit of overall traction.

Lately, as it has gotten hotter inside the warehouse that houses our carpet track the XRAY cars have been struggling a bit with rotation when compared to the Yokomos and even vs my Spec R. It seems the cars generate too much roll from excessive traction with an aluminum chassis, they drag so badly even with stiffer suspension set ups thatvit slows the cars in the corners and drains the battery badly. We have been considering going to a stiffer weave carbon chassis. The crazy thing is that the traction is really high, but unlike usually when this creates traction rolling when the temps are lower, the cars just push off the track.
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Anyone tested the new progressive shock system - PSS?

A couple of guys at our club, including our selves, have had one training day with them.

Ran with 400 oil in shocks and 2.5-2.8 progressive springs all round.

Didn't seem to make a significant difference. Some reported that the car was easier to position correctly in the turns, but felt slower overall.

Will test with different oils and non progressive springs. Maybe harder oils will be better. Hagberg uses 550 oil in shocks and also all progressive springs.
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Anyone tested the new progressive shock system - PSS?

A couple of guys at our club, including our selves, have had one training day with them.

Ran with 400 oil in shocks and 2.5-2.8 progressive springs all round.

Didn't seem to make a significant difference. Some reported that the car was easier to position correctly in the turns, but felt slower overall.

Will test with different oils and non progressive springs. Maybe harder oils will be better. Hagberg uses 550 oil in shocks and also all progressive springs.
They said that they found that the harder oils seemed to improve traction (but this was on asphalt), it's also before they announced they had been using the PSS system.

I have a feeling that at full extension the damping they offer is too soft with the normal oils
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Old 06-17-2015, 05:50 AM   #1335
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I am running the floating mount on medium grip asphalt and it gave a little more steering than the standard mount.

When I tried the same with the 6.2 it took steering away...
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