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Old 07-15-2014, 11:10 PM   #76
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I have a long record of practice in this kind of testing, and only ever managed to break a tie rod end and that was the kit Tamiya aluminium one form the TA05R. That is when I discovered how soft the material was.

Bent a lot of hinge pins on the same car, front and rear. Which again testifies where Tamiya considered appropriate to set the failure point. Problem is, it fails too easily even when using their Titanium coated shafts. I replaced the hinge pins on the car with tool steel pins I made at home and no breakage since.
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Actually, Awesomatix started the current aluminum chassis trend.

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Actually X-ray had it on carpet with foam tires before awesomatix was ever a thought. But recently shaftie has brought the idea back to the top.
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Old 07-16-2014, 08:24 AM   #78
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Didn't Associated use a gold one back in the late 80's????

What was once used because it was too expensive for anything else to be used, went by the wayside with new materials and manufacturing processes. Now aluminum is hot again b/c it offers different characteristics and can be made stronger and cheaper than in years past.

For those of us that have been in this hobby since the 80's, it is relatively less expensive now than it was then. Even with $500+ kits. Kits are about the same dollar amount, motors about the same, batts way cheaper, electronics the same or cheaper. All with durabilty and longetivity of parts going way up. So given inflation and generally better incomes than 25 years ago...

But I still agree that it does seem shady to offer race level kits that need an additional $150 or more to run what is considered "standard" by most racers and the factory driver. X-ray isnt the only company that does this (TLR, Tamiya, Kyosho)
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Didn't Associated use a gold one back in the late 80's????

What was once used because it was too expensive for anything else to be used, went by the wayside with new materials and manufacturing processes. Now aluminum is hot again b/c it offers different characteristics and can be made stronger and cheaper than in years past.

For those of us that have been in this hobby since the 80's, it is relatively less expensive now than it was then. Even with $500+ kits. Kits are about the same dollar amount, motors about the same, batts way cheaper, electronics the same or cheaper. All with durabilty and longetivity of parts going way up. So given inflation and generally better incomes than 25 years ago...

But I still agree that it does seem shady to offer race level kits that need an additional $150 or more to run what is considered "standard" by most racers and the factory driver. X-ray isnt the only company that does this (TLR, Tamiya, Kyosho)
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Included Graphite suspension arms!
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:41 PM   #81
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Actually X-ray had it on carpet with foam tires before awesomatix was ever a thought. But recently shaftie has brought the idea back to the top.
That's why I said "the current aluminum chassis trend". I've only been into RC since late 2009, which is not long enough to have seen an old trend of aluminum chassis in TCs, but long enough to know that there probably was one.

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Old 07-17-2014, 02:47 AM   #82
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Included Graphite suspension arms!
Too twitchy on some carpet tracks.
They're fine if you have high grip
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:17 AM   #83
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Too twitchy on some carpet tracks.
They're fine if you have high grip
The Team drivers use them all the time. Doesn't matter what kind of surface or gripp.

Example Hagberl low grip asphalt: http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/xray...as20140629.pdf

Example Martini low grip carpet: http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/xray...ze20121203.pdf

Look at the different team set-up's .... ''99%'' independent of the gripp an surface graphite arms are used.
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The Team drivers use them all the time. Doesn't matter what kind of surface or gripp.

Example Hagberl low grip asphalt: http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/xray...as20140629.pdf

Example Martini low grip carpet: http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/xray...ze20121203.pdf

Look at the different team set-up's .... ''99%'' independent of the gripp an surface graphite arms are used.
I know they do.
But to the average joe like me, I've gone quicker and had an eaiser to drive car with standard wishbones (or when I've removed the carbon plates)
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I know they do.
But to the average joe like me, I've gone quicker and had an eaiser to drive car with standard wishbones (or when I've removed the carbon plates)
Apparently you never got the memo that says if a team driver does something you should do the exact same thing without question because if it works for them it must work for you.
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Apparently you never got the memo that says if a team driver does something you should do the exact same thing without question because if it works for them it must work for you.
This sentence may sound smart but I saw people with 10+ years of experience trying on their own and faild to set-up a car properly. Then they went to Martin H. and copied the set-up (complete car) and look suddenly the results were much better and smile on their face was back. I visited many ETS races and a lot of the regular guys go to the team drivers to get some good info including me
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This is true but dont always believe whats posted online vs what they (the pros) tell you to do at the track... sometimes numbers get ...... fuzzy the day or week after a big race ;-)
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This is true but dont always believe whats posted online vs what they (the pros) tell you to do at the track... sometimes numbers get ...... fuzzy the day or week after a big race ;-)
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:41 AM   #89
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This is true but dont always believe whats posted online vs what they (the pros) tell you to do at the track... sometimes numbers get ...... fuzzy the day or week after a big race ;-)
Yes you ar absolutely right. It could be marketing so we all spend our money on graphite arms i'm aware of that.
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i cannot believe i missed this thread. this is one of my favorites year over year..
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