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Old 10-23-2014, 09:58 AM   #526
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This thread needs more people discussing their ARS. Does your ARS develop slop over time?

EA, did you check out your ARS last night? Inquiring minds would like the measurements of your ARS.
Where's Alex Hagberg? We need him to tell us about his ARS.



Of course I'm joking around, but in all seriousness, I would love to hear what settings people have tried on various surfaces and the results.
You are really into this ARS thing aren't you? It's okay I'm an ARS man.

I started the teardown of my '14 last night. Tonight I start on the '15.
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Old 10-23-2014, 10:11 AM   #527
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I'm building my '15 without ARS to start. I'll add it on once I'm comfortable with how the car feels with a normal rear end. Single variable. All changes in isolation.
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Old 10-23-2014, 10:22 AM   #528
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I'm building my '15 without ARS to start. I'll add it on once I'm comfortable with how the car feels with a normal rear end. Single variable. All changes in isolation.
Are you going to the TZGP?
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Old 10-23-2014, 01:59 PM   #529
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Set-up sheets are now on Xray website.
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Old 10-23-2014, 02:07 PM   #530
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Are you going to the TZGP?
Nah, taking a break from race travel. Spending a week in Vegas to fail over and over is about all the fun I can handle right now.
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:42 AM   #531
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Does anybody knows the difference in lenght of the swaybars from the T4 14 compared to the T4 15.

If anybody has both the ones from the new and the previous and can post a picture of the lying next to each other, then I would be greatful.
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Does anybody knows the difference in lenght of the swaybars from the T4 14 compared to the T4 15.

If anybody has both the ones from the new and the previous and can post a picture of the lying next to each other, then I would be greatful.
I made this a while ago. Hope it helps.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zpgccdjz34...r_bar.png?dl=0
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Old 10-25-2014, 12:50 PM   #533
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I made this a while ago. Hope it helps.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zpgccdjz34...r_bar.png?dl=0
Nice, just what I needed. I am trying to fit the T4 15 swaybar links attached to the wishbones, to my T4 14.
But think the T4 14 swaybars are about 4-5mm to long to get it to work.

Maybe I will cut them, and se if it works.

Anyone has done this before me ?
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Nice, just what I needed. I am trying to fit the T4 15 swaybar links attached to the wishbones, to my T4 14.
But think the T4 14 swaybars are about 4-5mm to long to get it to work.

Maybe I will cut them, and se if it works.

Anyone has done this before me ?
There are definitely people that I've done it with other manufacturers bar end links, so it should work just fine.
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Old 10-25-2014, 08:26 PM   #535
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Nice, just what I needed. I am trying to fit the T4 15 swaybar links attached to the wishbones, to my T4 14.
But think the T4 14 swaybars are about 4-5mm to long to get it to work.

Maybe I will cut them, and se if it works.

Anyone has done this before me ?
Buddy of mine used the ARC ends and just cut his sway bars down a little last year. Worked out fine.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:11 AM   #536
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ok... ARS
I will probably be laughed at for this but hey ho.
I found that there was not enough change in toe to make a big difference on carpet due to it being a relatively flat surface with no bumps to cope with. this means that the suspension only changes toe in the corners. i've modified my ars to give a maximum of 2 deg change under load. with a setting of 2 deg inboard toe and 0 outboard when cornering i get about 3-3.5 deg on the side under load. making the car super sharp and less drag on the straight. i'm only just starting to look into this but the rear was very stable unless you made very severe steering inputs. i'm a smooth driver and feed the steering not sharp stabs. i put in the fastest lap of the night but only 0.01 quicker than another kid at club running the 15. with that said he is normally 0.2 quicker than me on a single hot lap. i am going to install the standard rear for next friday as we run the same track 2 weeks in a row. it will be good to see the difference if there is any
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didn't make the first bit clear...
because there are no significant bumps on a carpet track i believe that allows you to run more ars toe without the car being unstable when hitting bumps
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ok... ARS
I will probably be laughed at for this but hey ho.
I found that there was not enough change in toe to make a big difference on carpet due to it being a relatively flat surface with no bumps to cope with. this means that the suspension only changes toe in the corners. i've modified my ars to give a maximum of 2 deg change under load. with a setting of 2 deg inboard toe and 0 outboard when cornering i get about 3-3.5 deg on the side under load. making the car super sharp and less drag on the straight. i'm only just starting to look into this but the rear was very stable unless you made very severe steering inputs. i'm a smooth driver and feed the steering not sharp stabs. i put in the fastest lap of the night but only 0.01 quicker than another kid at club running the 15. with that said he is normally 0.2 quicker than me on a single hot lap. i am going to install the standard rear for next friday as we run the same track 2 weeks in a row. it will be good to see the difference if there is any
What settings did you have on the ARE to get that big change during cornering?
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I switched the steering knuckle ball stud to be on top of the steering knuckle not underneath and changed the other end to a 10mm ball stud and put 6mm of shims on the mounting post. I now have loads of adjustment
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Old 10-26-2014, 01:23 PM   #540
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millbank, Thanks for sharing ARS trials as I'm sure many of us are eager to get it to work for intended added performance gains. Planning to build the ARS configuaration also for the winter carpet season in hopes to find positive results.
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