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Old 07-08-2014, 05:53 AM   #31
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Speaking to Alex Hagberg, it doesn't look like ARS will be standard either
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Non of the top of the line kits come with all option parts.
BTW anyone ever checked how many people already running Xrays, I'm talking not about the mid west. I'm talking the whole world. Therefore I'm not seeing any full option or a R kit on the horizon.
I believe that we will see different bulk heads, plasic inserts with finer adjustment and updated upper and lower deck. We may even get the ars system in the box, which I believe is only good for pro racer. We avarerage racer will have a hard time to get any benefit out of it.
No lack of XRays being run and given their "premium brand" marketing I highly doubt we will see an R version anytime soon. Assuming they continued to use the same plastics and driveline and just went to a fiberglass upper and lower deck they would still end up much higher priced than the cheapo spec r, Sakura, and other budget oriented kits. I don't think it is going out on a limb to state Xray cares little about competing for the segment of drivers that want to do a TC program for under $300.
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XRay has produced a "Sportsman" version of their cars before.

http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...baa87666c54165

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No lack of XRays being run and given their "premium brand" marketing I highly doubt we will see an R version anytime soon. Assuming they continued to use the same plastics and driveline and just went to a fiberglass upper and lower deck they would still end up much higher priced than the cheapo spec r, Sakura, and other budget oriented kits. I don't think it is going out on a limb to state Xray cares little about competing for the segment of drivers that want to do a TC program for under $300.
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XRay has produced a "Sportsman" version of their cars before.

http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...baa87666c54165
Still available in some countries: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300103-AUTOM...item3a70e35fd8
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Old 07-08-2014, 12:26 PM   #35
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XRay has produced a "Sportsman" version of their cars before.

http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...baa87666c54165
I think he already knows that. However, T2R is ancient by today's standards.

Its probably difficult for X-ray to hit a low price point and remain profitable so they didn't bother with a T4R.

Yokomo has somehow able to do it but uses significantly more plastic with the BD7 ver. RS. The T2R was still very well equipped with aluminum bulkheads.
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A non-orange T4 would be fantastic.
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I think he already knows that. However, T2R is ancient by today's standards.

Its probably difficult for X-ray to hit a low price point and remain profitable so they didn't bother with a T4R.

Yokomo has somehow able to do it but uses significantly more plastic with the BD7 ver. RS. The T2R was still very well equipped with aluminum bulkheads.
Yep, the older R versions were neat cars but I was looking forward and just don't see it happening. Interesting you bring up the RS as I think that is a really interesting platform and was thinking of purchasing one just to see if there really was much of a performance gap between that and my T4. My guess is there probably isn't. Either way there are a lot of good options that hit most of the price points. I like Xray but I don't think it is a prerequisite to being competitive or having fun.
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A non-orange T4 would be fantastic.
Yes, yes, and YES!!!
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:35 PM   #39
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Xray has been around and knows where they belong in the market. The budget-tier stuff is vastly improved in the last2-3 years. And even if Xray sold a modern R version, and it was priced around $300, would it be popular? I mean, you can order a Sakura Ultimate that is basically a full-tilt car for that sort of money. Plus there are other options. Earlier in the on-road game Xray put out some budget cars as there was more room for them to do this and make some money, plus the need to build the name any way possible. Now they are in the premium market and there is no need for them to deviate from this.
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Yep, the older R versions were neat cars but I was looking forward and just don't see it happening. Interesting you bring up the RS as I think that is a really interesting platform and was thinking of purchasing one just to see if there really was much of a performance gap between that and my T4. My guess is there probably isn't. Either way there are a lot of good options that hit most of the price points. I like Xray but I don't think it is a prerequisite to being competitive or having fun.
That would be a fascinating comparison. I love to read that.

It does seem like high time that Xray release a new "R" car though:
T1R
T2R
T2R Pro
T3R
T4R??

Every other platform they've built they have released in "R" spec. That being said I do believe that those R cars of the past were not the best value and or they were released so late in the platform life that they didn't offer too many benefits. I am thinking about getting a new chassis though for next year and an R would do nicely as my T3'10 is getting a bit too sloppy now.
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When the T3R was released, it was $260. Maybe adjusted for inflation and since the US dollar is now weak against the euro, it may be close to $290-300 if a T4R was ever released at a similar price point.

But yeah, the competition is a lot tougher now that there are more asian manufacturers pumping out blinged out kits for less money. Their quality is starting to catch up too.
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When the T3R was released, it was $260. Maybe adjusted for inflation and since the US dollar is now weak against the euro, it may be close to $290-300 if a T4R was ever released at a similar price point.

But yeah, the competition is a lot tougher now that there are more asian manufacturers pumping out blinged out kits for less money. Their quality is starting to catch up too.
Agreed. Spec-r, 3 racing, ect... they fill a niche now. And if a company like one of the two mentioned tried to put out a $500 + dollar car I doubt anyone would buy it. Just like I don't think many would spend $300 on a budget Xray that doesn't have the bling and upgrades an asian kit would provide for the same money. And the quality is getting much better on these cheaper kits.
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Xray brand is known for quality, proven design and parts availability. Like myself I have no desire to spend money on a unknown bling version of a Xray knock off where I have to wonder if I'll be able to get parts locally. I'm quit sure Xray would sell the crap out of it's most current SpecR version and create more loyal Xray customers. Not to mention I could upgrade at my own pace. Hands down the T3R is a outstanding budget car for VTA in my opinion. The goal should not be letting other companies fill a niche, aggressive marketing should be about getting as many people using your product as possible.


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Agreed. Spec-r, 3 racing, ect... they fill a niche now. And if a company like one of the two mentioned tried to put out a $500 + dollar car I doubt anyone would buy it. Just like I don't think many would spend $300 on a budget Xray that doesn't have the bling and upgrades an asian kit would provide for the same money. And the quality is getting much better on these cheaper kits.
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The goal should not be letting other companies fill a niche, aggressive marketing should be about getting as many people using your product as possible.
So you have growth and CR numbers direct from Xray to base this statement on?
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I still say that if Xray thought is was worth their time, they would be putting out a current "R" kit. A lot has changed in a few years. They can't sell a C/F kit with djc's, ect. for $300 and make money. At this point there is plenty of competition, and asking someone to choose between a top-tier (spec sheet-wise) kit and and an R version is not going to get the immediate response of " still gotta' have an Xray". Heck, even the super-budget version of some of these asian produced kits are pretty damn good now for what you pay. At the ROAR regionals that recently took place one, of the guys finishing top-3 in VTA ran a Sakura XI sport, It's a sub-$120 car!

As for providing a cheaper car to build a bigger Xray fan-base, well I sort of think that happens by the very nature of the fact that they put out new cars so often. As soon as the new kit comes out everyone dumps their old cars. I run VTA and I've had a number of nice used Xrays come my way. Right now I have a T3 2012 with ecs's and the Exotek chassis, only paid
$200 for it. I can go on Ebay and find 2010-2012 cars in good shape for 150-200 all day. So why would I buy an "R" version kit when I can have a top-spec Xray that at the most needs a few new bearings?
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