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Old 08-06-2014, 06:57 PM   #121
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M235i, the 2002 body is designed for the 225mm wheel base HPI Cup racer. It's a slightly smaller scale car to retain scale realism of these smaller cars like the Minis, VW, etc.... Unfortunately they are no longer produced.

HPI Cup Racer



I was pointed to a a few other variants in this class however they are 210mm wheel base primarily. However the one car I've read you can swap the arms intot a backward fashion to obtain 220mm. It might be close enough. I need to do some measurements on the body.

Nanda NRX12


RC Atomic VM11


Top Racing Sabre, This one may have to be the one as it's adjustable between 210mm and 225mm, just a bit pricier than I had wanted, but, hey... It may have to be if I want that classic 2002 in my collection


Here is a thread regarding all these, its a great read! http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=195461


Thanks on the Slash Raptor! It is a fun unit to bash about on!


So I got a servo today and promptly installed it. I'm ready to go run at the club. Maybe this Sunday! Its a Spektrum 6040. Titanium Gear, digital, coreless with pretty good response at 0.08sec 60deg & 167.0 oz-in @6V. It just fit. I had to file the top of the servo arm just a bit so it cleared under the top tray.

I drove around my basement shop, what a hoot, its so quiet, yet quick, all stealthy like.









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Old 08-06-2014, 08:52 PM   #122
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@viperz, your cars use nothing but top notch components ! Very well executed builds with nothing but quality , well done ., as far as your chassis selection why not go for the tamiya M06 chassis? , if I remember it could be built 210mm, 225mm or 239mm , ebay has various kits for under 150 , some as low as 110 $ new
I just realized by looking through the first pages of the thread you posted that I own a 210mm chassis , the 1/14 vaterra kalahari is the kemoras brother , I currently am working on these h1 hard bodies for it , they came off nikko trucks , very detailed , sand blasted, primered and painted olive drab and desert sand ... wheelbase is perfect too for these lil hummer bodies
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Old 08-07-2014, 06:42 AM   #123
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Thanks M! I did consider the M06. As you say the price is right, it has adjustable wheel base, and it can also be had with a cool additional body such as the Alf Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA.



Only downside is it's only rear wheel drive, which isn't really a downside, as I would not race it, just tool around with it. So in that sense it is very realistic and would do..... I just like the higher end chassis on these smaller typically slower cars


You trucks are pretty amazing too! I like those hummer bodies!
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ViperZ , I figured with your other builds that you where looking at the higher end chassis selections available ., but I might pick me up a m06, as my next project , easily made into a rally car , as tamiya makes mini rally blocks as well., that cup racer porsche body , or datsun 510 look darn good as well
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You know M, there is a lot to be said about going with a M06 kit. It would just be a fun project on its own. And collecting and building Tamiya kits is just too irresistible! I may have to do it too

The Datsun 510 is one wicked looking kit when done right. I found a phot on the internet I will post later. I would like to do an older 911 RSR with this chassis, and the bodies are out there!
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The 210 to 225mm chassis offers up realistic true scale cars, so the M06 isn't a bad choice. I would just prefer a higher tech 4WD chassis if possible, but hey, I can be not particular too if I just want the shell on a RC

Here is that Datsun 510








I love this 911 RSR, and would love to model one. It's a 210mm wheel base




I have seen these Exotek Cup racers go for sale from time to time. It would be a cool find to get one of these too!

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Tamiya has the 911 RSR for regular size TC. It specs at 190mm width but not sure if it's wider in the rear.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/radio...rera-rsr-58571
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Old 08-08-2014, 11:12 AM   #128
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Thanks for posting that X3, being a. Tamiya it would be a great looking body as well. If the specs of the Tt02 are similar to the Tt01 then I would just need a body.

I still need a 225mm chassis though, and I also wonder how the true scale size of the 225mm 911 compares to the 260mm TC? Not that that matters too much to me

I'll have to post a comparative picture of the 2002 against the other cars.
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@viperz , ive been giving the M06 some thought , albeit not the most advance chassis , but would make nice parking lot runner ., the cup racers are much closer to scale dimensions hence why it appeals me so..... I might go for a mini z or a m06 next .... we shall see , I have been bitten by the mini bug right now.... any suggestions ? I like the mini z f1 ferrari =) very detailed
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Came home to some new parts waiting for me! Some wires and my power kit for the TC6.2. The Motor is a 13.5 for Super Stock, in case I can run in that class, but just in case I have another 17.5T coming for the TC6.2 for stock.

I like how the wires came with loose matching shrink tube



Here is some scale perspective on the bodies, I`m not sure how all the 260mm wheel base stack up in real life, but I thought I would post it here.

Left-Right: Tamiya TT01 E30 M3 = 257mm, HPI E30 M3 = 254mm Wheel base




Bottom-Top: HPI 2002 Cup Racer = 225mm, HPI E46 M3 = 254mm, HPI E30 M3 = 254mm wheel base


Top-Bottom: HPI 2002 Cup Racer = 225mm, HPI E46 M3 = 254mm, HPI E30 M3 = 254mm wheel base


Left-Right: HPI 2002 Cup Racer = 225mm, HPI E46 M3 = 254mm, HPI E30 M3 = 254mm wheel base





These ones I`m trying to show a feel of size in general

Left-Right: Tamiya TT01 E30 M3 257mm, HPI E92 M2 254mm wheel base




Notice how the E30 looks to be a bigger car, which I would have thought it isn't in real life.

Here are the real life dimensions of the M3's

E30
  • Wheelbase 2,562 mm (100.9 in)
  • Length 4,345 mm (171.1 in)
  • Width 1,680 mm (66.1 in)
  • Height 1,370 mm (53.9 in)

E36 (not in my RC lineup )
  • Wheelbase 2,700 mm (106.3 in)
  • Length 4,432 mm (174.5 in)
  • Width 1,709 mm (67.3 in)
  • Height 1,336 mm (53.7 in)

E46 My 1:1
  • Wheelbase 2,730 mm (107.5 in)
  • Length 4,493 mm (176.9 in)
  • Width 1,781 mm (70.1 in)
  • Height 1,369 mm (53.9 in)

E92
  • Wheelbase 2,761 mm (108.7 in)
  • Length 4,608 mm (181.4 in)
  • Width 1,821 mm (71.7 in)
  • Height 1,412 mm (55.6 in)

By those number you can see the M3 has grown in size each series, so this leads me to believe the RC E30 M3 would be better scaled as a 225mm Cup Racer platform.

Here are some real life comparisons from an AutoX I was at.

My E46 against a E30


Left-Right: E36, E46, E92


Left-Right: E92, E46, E36
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@viperz , ive been giving the M06 some thought , albeit not the most advance chassis , but would make nice parking lot runner ., the cup racers are much closer to scale dimensions hence why it appeals me so..... I might go for a mini z or a m06 next .... we shall see , I have been bitten by the mini bug right now.... any suggestions ? I like the mini z f1 ferrari =) very detailed
Sorry, I missed this during my last post... I agree with what you say. The M06 is probably good enough for parking lot running. As I said earlier, I think you may have talked me in to one. Now that I have the 2002 body out of its bag I'm going to scope it out to see what wheel base I could get a way with. Regardless the M06 would be a great base for many of these 225 cup bodies and the other minis set around the 210mm wb.

I say get what strikes your fancy For me its this 2002, and a 911 RSR.
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I did some mock-ups of the 220mm vs 225mm wheel base on the 2002. By the looks of it, I may be able to get way with a 220mm chassis. The 220mm wheel base comes from a modified Nanda NRX12, with the A arms flipped.

In the test I placed 4 marks on the body that represents 225mm perfect fitment, then 2 marks 5mm inboard form there. It seems the front wheel well is less forgiving of placement than the rear and must be pretty spot on. The wheel looks out of place if moved inward 5mm. The rear seems to be able to get away with it and is not as pronounced. I may still make a hard mock chassis out of wood with some axles so I can how it may workout with out taping the wheels to the body, as that may have introduced some variance as well...

Why am I sweating this you may ask? Because I'm OCD about things at times, and I like farting around like this In the end the Tamiya M06 may still be the play as I would have no qualms about running it around in a rough parking lot, where as a more expensive kit may not see any outdoor action, which would be a shame.


Here is the body with marks the outer marks are the idea 225mm center placement. The inner marks are 5mm inward so I could pick idea placement for either the front or back to determine which looks better


Here is 225mm ideal placement front and back


Here is 220mm ideal placement back, front inward 5mm. It looks off, tucked away too much


Here is 220mm ideal placement front, back inward 5mm. Hard to tell the back is off


I just like this undercut front end look, and I'm pumped to get this model complete



I ordered a set of HPI MX60 Wheels for this project. I was not sure what offset to get, however in the pictures it looks like the 3mm all around are ones that may work. I can purchase a pair of 6mm offset afterward if the 3mm isn't enough.
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After a few failed attempts to mix and blend my M3 Paint code "Carbon Black" I got something close enough to call it a day. The color is really a deep dark metallic blue, that looks black in the shade, or blue black in most light unless it's direct, then its this deep, pearl sapphire blue that is simply stunning in broad daylight.

A blend of Parma FastPearl Blue, Parma Fastblack, and a touch of fastblue...


Here is the color in the shade, which looks similar to my car


Here is the color in direct sunlight


That's Parma Fastpearlblack on the roof to represent a carbon fiber roof of the GTR


Half shade, with a peek of direct sunlight




Here is a picture I snapped with my phone. Its' slightly deeper and darker, but I've failed and wasted enough paint, I thought it was good enough to capture the effect
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ViperZ , the paint came out great, very well done cant wait to see it completed !!! It would be nice if u had a set of wheels similar to your 1:1 M3., the 225mm e30 is looking great as well , glad u can get away with running the 220mm wheelbase if u plan to go with the nanda ., I might have gone 3mm fronts and 6mm rears on the cup racer e30 , the m3 has gotten bigger and heavier every gen E92 has a full 10 inches on the E30 length wise , can't wait to see what chassis you choose, and progress on the bodies
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Love that blue-green color Viper Z, Do you airbrush your bodies or aerosol them?
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