TL01 for VTA...FAIL?
#16
Tech Regular
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Is there anyway to make that chassis have adjustable camber and adjustable shock position??
I know with my M05 not having either of these adjustable I had all kinds of twitchyness and even issues with the car swapping ends in a blink of an eye. Once I got adjustable camber links and hop up upper shock mounts to make them adjustable all my issues went away and went from being a nightmare drive to absolutely fun!
I'm also runing 30wt front oil and 27.5wt rear oil in the shocks. Still need to get softer front springs.
Yes please keep us updated on the progress.
BTW I think the biggest hurdle your going to have is getting the gearing low enough to be fast enough on the straight.
I know with my M05 not having either of these adjustable I had all kinds of twitchyness and even issues with the car swapping ends in a blink of an eye. Once I got adjustable camber links and hop up upper shock mounts to make them adjustable all my issues went away and went from being a nightmare drive to absolutely fun!
I'm also runing 30wt front oil and 27.5wt rear oil in the shocks. Still need to get softer front springs.
Yes please keep us updated on the progress.
BTW I think the biggest hurdle your going to have is getting the gearing low enough to be fast enough on the straight.
#17
Awesome thread. Keep posting progress/updates. VTA isn't about having the best chassis, it is about getting the best you can out of whatever chassis you are running.
You didn't mention what surface you will be running on. You probably could get away with a front one-way/rear diff on a high bite carpet track. As others have stated, the spool up front (or a tight diff) and a diff in back will give you a good amount of control.
As far as tuning the diffs, you will want to check out the Tamiya Mini Cooper thread here on RCTECH (http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ni-cooper.html). There should be plenty of people that can help you tune your diffs. There might even be some people that can help you achieve higher gearing if you need to go faster.
Don't let the basic design of the TL-01 prevent you from trying to see what it will do. I've seen some very well tuned Tamiya M-03 cars go faster/handle better than a lot of local VTA cars. Although I would recommend having a basic budget in mind for this project. If you run into a dead end with setup, there is no sense in turning this project into a money pit.
Good luck and above all have fun!
You didn't mention what surface you will be running on. You probably could get away with a front one-way/rear diff on a high bite carpet track. As others have stated, the spool up front (or a tight diff) and a diff in back will give you a good amount of control.
As far as tuning the diffs, you will want to check out the Tamiya Mini Cooper thread here on RCTECH (http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...ni-cooper.html). There should be plenty of people that can help you tune your diffs. There might even be some people that can help you achieve higher gearing if you need to go faster.
Don't let the basic design of the TL-01 prevent you from trying to see what it will do. I've seen some very well tuned Tamiya M-03 cars go faster/handle better than a lot of local VTA cars. Although I would recommend having a basic budget in mind for this project. If you run into a dead end with setup, there is no sense in turning this project into a money pit.
Good luck and above all have fun!
#18
Is there anyway to make that chassis have adjustable camber and adjustable shock position??
I know with my M05 not having either of these adjustable I had all kinds of twitchyness and even issues with the car swapping ends in a blink of an eye. Once I got adjustable camber links and hop up upper shock mounts to make them adjustable all my issues went away and went from being a nightmare drive to absolutely fun!
I'm also runing 30wt front oil and 27.5wt rear oil in the shocks. Still need to get softer front springs.
Yes please keep us updated on the progress.
BTW I think the biggest hurdle your going to have is getting the gearing low enough to be fast enough on the straight.
I know with my M05 not having either of these adjustable I had all kinds of twitchyness and even issues with the car swapping ends in a blink of an eye. Once I got adjustable camber links and hop up upper shock mounts to make them adjustable all my issues went away and went from being a nightmare drive to absolutely fun!
I'm also runing 30wt front oil and 27.5wt rear oil in the shocks. Still need to get softer front springs.
Yes please keep us updated on the progress.
BTW I think the biggest hurdle your going to have is getting the gearing low enough to be fast enough on the straight.
#19
Tech Regular
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So much for running that in a TCS event with all the mods that has.
3.5 is a fairly low FDR to be competitive enough. My TC3 is in that FDR range for VTA and it changes with every track layout. Sounds like you have a potential sleeper VTA chassis there.
Definitely curious to see how it stacks up against other newer platforms.
3.5 is a fairly low FDR to be competitive enough. My TC3 is in that FDR range for VTA and it changes with every track layout. Sounds like you have a potential sleeper VTA chassis there.
Definitely curious to see how it stacks up against other newer platforms.
#20
Tech Master
#21
Great build, had LOTS of fun back in the day with my TL01 in the Tamiya Series, now it somewhere in a box
Depending on the size of your track 3.57 might not be enough, we have run as low as 2.9 fdr at some tracks in fl.
Depending on the size of your track 3.57 might not be enough, we have run as low as 2.9 fdr at some tracks in fl.
#22
Wow...2.9 is freakishly low lol...that means I would have to run a 32T pinion against a 29T spur lol...that would look hilarious!...Sometimes I wonder if they picked the right motor for this class as with all this crazy gearing, these cars are going as fast as the 21.5/17.5 guys lol....good thing my track is small and everyone agrees that a 3.5-4 fdr works.
#23
Tech Fanatic
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Wow...2.9 is freakishly low lol...that means I would have to run a 32T pinion against a 29T spur lol...that would look hilarious!...Sometimes I wonder if they picked the right motor for this class as with all this crazy gearing, these cars are going as fast as the 21.5/17.5 guys lol....good thing my track is small and everyone agrees that a 3.5-4 fdr works.
Cool thread btw, kind of making me want to get my neighbors TL01 running again!
#24
Awesome thread! I'm going to have to dust off my old Tamiya stuff now....
We have run gearing in the 3.0 range at our local track, but in order to do so, you have to be VERY proficient in keeping up corner speed. I agree with the speeds, some of the faster VTA's would be low A-Main cars in our VTA class. Pretty crazy!
We have run gearing in the 3.0 range at our local track, but in order to do so, you have to be VERY proficient in keeping up corner speed. I agree with the speeds, some of the faster VTA's would be low A-Main cars in our VTA class. Pretty crazy!
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#26
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Wow...2.9 is freakishly low lol...that means I would have to run a 32T pinion against a 29T spur lol...that would look hilarious!...Sometimes I wonder if they picked the right motor for this class as with all this crazy gearing, these cars are going as fast as the 21.5/17.5 guys lol....good thing my track is small and everyone agrees that a 3.5-4 fdr works.
#27
Did a test run the day before the race and had a catastrophic failure...motor overheated and ESC fried...I'm thinking the front spool paired with the clunky drivetrain created way too much friction/stress. I didn't get any motor temps but after running it for about 10 minutes, motor was too hot to touch and the ESC shutdown (i was running it really aggressive with numerous power slides too lol). Upon lowering the manual timing on the motor (from 45 degrees to 20) the ESC failed to powerup. I may need to switch out the front spool with a standard diff to allow some slip and gear it down a tooth...problem is, I may not have enough speed if my ratio goes above 4.0...the next pinion down will get me to 4.37....hmm...
#28
Tech Rookie
This thread is awesome, I'm rekindling my Tl01 as we peak wish I would of found this earlier, are you still trying with the car or have you give up??
#29
Tech Addict
I bought 3 of these , brand new old stock a few years back. Had alot of fun with them.
The TL's are a rather brittle chassis, but new replacement empty chassis is really cheap. Get one for spares.
The TL01b (baja) bumper is a worthwhile ad-on , much better than the std bumper
Just for fun, the baja/offroad arms bolt straight on. It gives you a wide car that wont roll and can be power drifted around corners.
You can also cut the TL01 down to mini (m03 ) size to make a 4WD M-chassis.
The TL's are a rather brittle chassis, but new replacement empty chassis is really cheap. Get one for spares.
The TL01b (baja) bumper is a worthwhile ad-on , much better than the std bumper
Just for fun, the baja/offroad arms bolt straight on. It gives you a wide car that wont roll and can be power drifted around corners.
You can also cut the TL01 down to mini (m03 ) size to make a 4WD M-chassis.
Last edited by 1101; 09-26-2014 at 03:14 AM.
#30
Tech Addict
Another great TL01 link. Has a vid of him racing against more modern big $ cars
http://www.rccartips.com/rc-car-proj...miya-tl-01.htm
http://www.rccartips.com/rc-car-proj...miya-tl-01.htm