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Old 12-08-2015, 10:01 AM   #1426
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There is really no such thing as a "pro" kit. some manufacturers sell kits that have more upgrades than others. Example is the VBC ghost EVO, and Ghost RM. They are the same car, but the RM has some upgrades to it that don't come standard on the EVO.
I agree with Professor. I think the term "Pro" is in reference to the option of a kit. Look at the TB04 as a reference. The standard TB04 kit was largely all plastic parts with no frills. The TB04 Pro had upgraded plastic parts, aluminum option parts, better shocks, etc....

Although, just because the word "Pro" is used in the name of a kit, doesn't mean it is a highly option car when compared to all other top level offerings out there.

I would consider the Evo 6 a "pro" level car. It is fully optioned with carbon fiber, aluminum across the board, full adjustment capable, etc. Essentially, it is a high quality, highly engineered car with modern materials that needs little if anything to compete at a very high level. If someone is trying to discount this car from being competition capable, they are sorely mistaken!
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:52 AM   #1427
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To any of you out there with the Exotek conversion, I'm putting together the rear gearbox and motor mount to the main chassis and the alignment seems to be a bit off that causes the gold input shaft to bind.

I started off with setting the plunge of the input shaft so the diff pinion doesn't catch the inner surfaces of the gearbox case, until it spins free on its own (this is with all screws of the gearbox tightened, just the input shaft and pinion assembly inside and no diff installed).

For the motor mount, the tolerances of the bearing hole was very tight. I did some sanding on the inner surfaces until its just a bit snug with the bearing seated.

When I tighten up the gearbox and motor mount to the chassis, I notice binding when the input shaft spins. The shaft is considerably tighter than when there's no bearing support from the motor mount.

If I insert two 0.2 shims below the bottom half gearbox (between chassis plate and gearbox) on the left side to raise it, it relieves a bit of the binding. Therefore I'm fairly sure the shaft alignment is off, I'm just not sure if its the holes on the chassis that's causing this or the machining/holes of the motor mount itself.

I checked the chassis plate on glass and its flat, tried another set of gearboxes and the binding is still there. Would appreciate any advice on other things to check.

Though I'm not 100% sure but the shaft looks skewed to one side just from eyeballing.
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Old 12-12-2015, 07:20 AM   #1428
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It just tells me that top level racing is more about copying what works rather than innovation.
Or not.

Awesomatix is a specialised car, and for a while it looked like stock was going to be expanding hence its potential to impact a larger market. Stock didn't expand and also, the price point of the ASX is a bit above what the average racer can afford.

On top of that, ASX doesn't have the global brand and the distribution network of established brands like Tamiya, Xray etc. You'd be hard pressed to find an Xray in Asia. Likewise, Tamiya in Europe is not even by far what it is in Asia. Each company has focused on a target market and expanded (or not) any further as they found fit. In this picture ASX came as car with a very focused purpose, in an already abundantly supplied market and without a distribution network. Difficult to make an impact without proper financial backing.

If you look back, the Team Durango buggy (first DEX410) came on the market with a price double that of the competition. It had a lot of innovation, and a lot of expensive "upgrades" in the kit. These cost money. Subsequent kits went to simpler, cheaper materials, so the price dropped. Manufacturing increased volume and moved in a low cost labour market. That brought the price down and increased sales. ASX is still manufactured in small quantities, in a high cost labour market and doesn't have volumes. Just like a Bugatti. Or like Apple computers. Much better, much more expensive (until recently).

Maybe that's the destiny of the ASX. It will spur innovation (Tamiya had a go or two at a transverse motor shaft drive car). We'll see what comes of it.
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Old 12-12-2015, 08:24 AM   #1429
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Or not.

Awesomatix is a specialised car, and for a while it looked like stock was going to be expanding hence its potential to impact a larger market. Stock didn't expand and also, the price point of the ASX is a bit above what the average racer can afford.

On top of that, ASX doesn't have the global brand and the distribution network of established brands like Tamiya, Xray etc. You'd be hard pressed to find an Xray in Asia. Likewise, Tamiya in Europe is not even by far what it is in Asia. Each company has focused on a target market and expanded (or not) any further as they found fit. In this picture ASX came as car with a very focused purpose, in an already abundantly supplied market and without a distribution network. Difficult to make an impact without proper financial backing.

If you look back, the Team Durango buggy (first DEX410) came on the market with a price double that of the competition. It had a lot of innovation, and a lot of expensive "upgrades" in the kit. These cost money. Subsequent kits went to simpler, cheaper materials, so the price dropped. Manufacturing increased volume and moved in a low cost labour market. That brought the price down and increased sales. ASX is still manufactured in small quantities, in a high cost labour market and doesn't have volumes. Just like a Bugatti. Or like Apple computers. Much better, much more expensive (until recently).

Maybe that's the destiny of the ASX. It will spur innovation (Tamiya had a go or two at a transverse motor shaft drive car). We'll see what comes of it.
Thanks for the information. i thought Awesomatix were produced in Taiwan like a number of other cars but the economies of scale are likely still not what they are for the other manufacturers that carry a full line. I still disagree about innovation. With the A800 I see a car moving more toward what most everyone else is doing. Initially the word was the shafties were the car for stock and the belt for the faster classes. Now the word is the belt car is the way to go, period. I guess efficiency wasn't that big a deal after all? Initially the A700 was marketed as having shocks that didn't require building or much in the way of service. Now the buyer gets to build and service their own shocks. Is this progress or just marketing BS? You want to bet against Awesomatix eventually releasing a car with conventional shocks? This isn't meant as a knock against that company as I've no doubt they can be a terrific car. If anything it is a bit of a disservice to the team running them as they are some very talented drivers yet many people are drooling over the car as if it drives and tunes itself. I've only been doing this since 2009 but some of the people I know that have been doing it a long time send me pictures of touring cars from the early 2000's and there were some far out designs. We've gotten to a place where a very unified design works and it seems to me most cars are going in that direction. To me that is copying, not innovating.

That said looking forward to getting my Tamiya shaftie on the track next week. It is a fun challenge and change of pace from my XRay.

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To any of you out there with the Exotek conversion, I'm putting together the rear gearbox and motor mount to the main chassis and the alignment seems to be a bit off that causes the gold input shaft to bind.

I started off with setting the plunge of the input shaft so the diff pinion doesn't catch the inner surfaces of the gearbox case, until it spins free on its own (this is with all screws of the gearbox tightened, just the input shaft and pinion assembly inside and no diff installed).

For the motor mount, the tolerances of the bearing hole was very tight. I did some sanding on the inner surfaces until its just a bit snug with the bearing seated.

When I tighten up the gearbox and motor mount to the chassis, I notice binding when the input shaft spins. The shaft is considerably tighter than when there's no bearing support from the motor mount.

If I insert two 0.2 shims below the bottom half gearbox (between chassis plate and gearbox) on the left side to raise it, it relieves a bit of the binding. Therefore I'm fairly sure the shaft alignment is off, I'm just not sure if its the holes on the chassis that's causing this or the machining/holes of the motor mount itself.

I checked the chassis plate on glass and its flat, tried another set of gearboxes and the binding is still there. Would appreciate any advice on other things to check.

Though I'm not 100% sure but the shaft looks skewed to one side just from eyeballing.
I would double check the bearing in the motor mount, good chance it's not in there straight or in too deep in the mount. I ran into this while assembling my conversion. I pulled the mount out of the car wiggled it around in the mount till I felt it was positioned better and sure enough it freed up
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I would double check the bearing in the motor mount, good chance it's not in there straight or in too deep in the mount. I ran into this while assembling my conversion. I pulled the mount out of the car wiggled it around in the mount till I felt it was positioned better and sure enough it freed up
Thanks. However as mentioned I've sanded the bearing hole large enough without having excessive play but they still bind when assembled.

Instead of shimming the bottom of the gearbox that would affect the top deck, I decided to shim one side of the bottom of the motor mount instead to bring the angle of the shaft back slightly.
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Old 12-13-2015, 11:37 AM   #1432
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My usgt is finally dialed on carpet. 3mm under front inner link 1mm under rear inner link. 37.5 shock oil all around. Blue yokomo springs f/r. -1degree camber front -2 1/2 camber rear. 5mm droop in front and 4mm rear. 5mm ride height. 5k in specR diff. (It really helped). Full sauce on rear tires half on fronts. I'm very happy now. Oh and third hole in shock towers front and rear.
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I did some work on mine as well . Set up a little different than yours but dialed for me. Got my USVTA set up failed in as well. I'll post the sheets in the next day or two.

Glad everyone had fun this weekend
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I worked quite a bit with the active rear toe on mine this weekend and ran really well. TQ, fast lap and a win in the A-Main. Im looking to add another one to the stable for VTA. Maybe santa will bring one....
This is quite possibly the best onroad car I have ever driven!
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I worked quite a bit with the active rear toe on mine this weekend and ran really well. TQ, fast lap and a win in the A-Main. Im looking to add another one to the stable for VTA. Maybe santa will bring one....
This is quite possibly the best onroad car I have ever driven!
There's a guy at my track selling his two race day Exo6. I will ask him to post it here.
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There's a guy at my track selling his two race day Exo6. I will ask him to post it here.
Awesome! Thanks!
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Old 12-15-2015, 05:29 AM   #1437
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I worked quite a bit with the active rear toe on mine this weekend and ran really well. TQ, fast lap and a win in the A-Main. Im looking to add another one to the stable for VTA. Maybe santa will bring one....
This is quite possibly the best onroad car I have ever driven!
PM me your email. And I'll get you pics of a exo6 for sale. My friend is saleing his. Same guy as Josh n Ya is talking about.
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Could somebody tell me when Exotek will release that aluminium chassis?

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PM me your email. And I'll get you pics of a exo6 for sale. My friend is saleing his. Same guy as Josh n Ya is talking about.
Thanks Juan!
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PM me your email. And I'll get you pics of a exo6 for sale. My friend is saleing his. Same guy as Josh n Ya is talking about.
PM sent.
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